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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disc has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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threat from outside this world

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this is david black with your host jimmy

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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all right

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let's go fade to black

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bespoke radio for the masses

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all right how you doing today's tuesday

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this is going to be a show tonight karen

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a dolman is here man let's do this

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer and annex networks race hobbes

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing tonight

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right here one of our favorite guests i

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don't even know how many shows i've done

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with karen

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over the years karen a dolman

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is here tonight

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for the history of ouija 101 master

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now i've already been backstage i see

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what is about to transpire tonight this

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is going to be an amazing show

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so get ready tomorrow night right here

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on this very program

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he lit it up at disclosure fest and uh

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after watching him i just want him to

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bring a little taste

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of what he did on stage to fade to black

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we do that

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and uh i'm i'm a happy guy this is gonna

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be an amazing show tomorrow night

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thursday

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is another fader night with open lines

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all night long

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and then we head to the weekend and i've

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um i did a live stream today on on

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and the reason why i did the live stream

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and it's right here and i don't think

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this is one of the most secretive

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and everything else that goes on out

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um air force plant 42 is out there top

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but right there man i'm at stoplight

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check it there it is

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make a right enter

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but i got my pillows i did and i and i

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all right you can follow me on twitter

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at j church radio pillows are important

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i see that steven the pillows are

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important i mean they can just ruin your

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i mean seriously so anyway follow me on

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twitter at j church radio

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uh go follow my instagram for all of my

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guitar stuff

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at uh at jimmy church radio pretty

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interesting a lot of fun a lot of fun a

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at jimmychurchradio hashtag f2b is the

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sandbox it is live in front of me

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and you can see steven owens uh video of

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and uh there you go okay ken priest is

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in the house everybody is try scales

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right there betty joe jacks

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olivia hello olivia how are you i missed

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you weren't at disclosure fest olivia

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so everybody go and uh check check out

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the sandbox hashtag f2b i was over in

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the chat room right before the show now

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check this out you may not have known

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what went down this weekend

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with spacex

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it was a busy weekend for spacex with

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of its falcon 9 rockets into orbit in

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just 36 hours spacex's final launch may

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have even been carrying a classified

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government payload in addition to

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launching a spare satellite for low

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orbit the rocket's first stage booster

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13th flight and landing incredible

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leaked documents from the united states

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the documents obtained by the intercept

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all of this to investigate the technical

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of using the massive rocket within the

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absolutely incredible

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china plans to return to mars

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in 2031 that's two years two years

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earlier than nasa and the esa plan to

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pull it off the target date was

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chief designer of the tian one one

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mars orbiter and rover mission that

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zeshu's presentation says china is

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a two-launch mission

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with liftoff in late 2028 and a sample

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returned to earth in july 2031.

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the nasa esa campaign will haul home

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samples collected by the american space

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agency's perseverance rover that it has

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in 2033.

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china beat us to it

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now i posted this over on facebook today

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and the photographs are incredible let's

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see who can post first oh

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madeline

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tweet because that is incredible thank

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this it let me let me get this up here

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hold on for a second

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yep and if you want to know what i'm

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talking about

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just head over to twitter

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f2b the sandbox there it is thank you so

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much madeline

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because

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the owner of a flying car company has

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completed the first ever commute

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in one of its 83

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600 space age vehicles

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thomas pattan the co-founder of the

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swedish firm

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jetson

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italian home to a company building in

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tuscany three miles away the commute

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time was reduced

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by 88

302
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the jetson one is powered by eight

303
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electric motors yeah it's like a

304
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quadcopter has a flight time of 20

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minutes it can reach a top speed of 63

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miles per hour now go and look at the

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picture of this thing

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i watched the video today of this

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commute

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and this thing is cool

311
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i want one it's only 83 grand

312
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which you know it's not four hundred

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thousand dollars not five and it's not a

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million it's 83 grand that's within

315
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that's within real i wouldn't be able to

316
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eat uh for the next five or ten years

317
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but i would have a flying car

318
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it looks wicked

319
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it's amazing and it looks fun and it's

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only 84 grand

321
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i'm serious take my money take my wallet

322
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i'm buying one of these as soon as

323
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possible i'm not kidding

324
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and uh the video which you can go and

325
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watch online it it's incredible

326
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all right

327
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it's 83 000

328
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so there you go i had talked about this

329
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if you remember

330
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if you go back to fade to black five

331
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years ago

332
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i had said then

333
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the technology in a quadcopter

334
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scale it up put a seed in it and you're

335
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good to go these things have

336
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avoid collision avoidance the height the

337
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thing the the technology is there gp

338
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everything is dialed in the software

339
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just scale it up put a seat in it and

340
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let's go well that's what they are doing

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i guess they'd listen

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to fade to black let's get this show

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cracking

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on this day in history

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otd mark from dallas me want that you do

346
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want that

347
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incredible 20 minutes

348
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and you can fly like a bud

349
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a couple extra batteries right you know

350
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what i'm saying

351
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it's just too cool

352
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all right on this day in history 1990

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a 7.7 magnitude earthquake near the

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caspian sea in iran

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kills an estimated 50 000 people and

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injures another 135

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000

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7.7 on this day in 1990 fader facts

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oh

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i don't have a fader fact today

361
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so there's your fader fact

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fact

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on june 21st

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tonight karen a dollman is here

365
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we are going to do a full on

366
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history of ouija 101 master class

367
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there will be a pop quiz kids

368
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so get ready for that tomorrow night

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david palmer is here

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and i am i've got high high expectations

371
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for this show tomorrow night talk to

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david today

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and so he's going to be with us tomorrow

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night and thursday is another fader

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night with open lines all night long now

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i've been french pressing it lately

377
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um instead of uh

378
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automatic in in my single cup which i

379
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:47,679
love too as well but i've been french

380
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pressing it

381
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and that

382
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that's a good cup of coffee right there

383
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:54,960
get a french press it's easy get a

384
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french press i i got a big one um get a

385
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french press get one of those

386
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:03,440
uh water boiler pots whatever they call

387
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those you know and uh that thing heats

388
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,120
boils water in like two minutes

389
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:11,360
and grind your beans pop it in the

390
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,679
french press two minutes by the time you

391
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grind the beans pour those in the

392
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water's boiled you pour that in the

393
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coffee is ready in 30 seconds you let it

394
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sit a little longer some people do some

395
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people don't

396
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um but french press

397
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the best

398
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rivermoonwellness.com

399
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jetson1 thank you for that dan james

400
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there's a couple of dan

401
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james's oh look at this ku1x uh i'm

402
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,520
going to retweet this i i don't i i

403
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think race

404
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uh

405
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this

406
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one of my

407
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most

408
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pictures

409
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of all time and i can type pretty fast

410
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huh right

411
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,549
i'm going to check out the picture this

412
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was taken in roswell

413
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it's myself

414
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lee spiegel and race hobbes at the

415
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roswell museum

416
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and uh

417
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,799
look at that

418
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man

419
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:38,159
that is just epic oh look in the

420
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,400
background race there's kathleen martin

421
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,640
and uh wow this is great that's just one

422
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:46,000
of my favorite pictures of all time

423
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thank you for posting that

424
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all right

425
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:52,159
uh our air ear ear ear what am i gonna

426
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:58,390
uh

427
00:22:02,159 --> 00:22:10,390
are you ready

428
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:12,870
because

429
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:15,840
austin butler

430
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,200
and tom hanks

431
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,039
what may be the film of the year that

432
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:23,200
says a lot too a lot of good stuff out

433
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:23,919
there

434
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:26,960
it's uh baz luhrmann's

435
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,360
elvis

436
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,919
that's right it is premiering in

437
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:33,520
theaters

438
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,070
elvis

439
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,390
you seen the trailer

440
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:44,559
have you peeped that out all right fader

441
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:46,880
knots pop this trailer up uh so i can

442
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:49,840
get this retweeted uh really quick

443
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:52,320
everybody can watch the trailer

444
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:55,520
it looks pretty good

445
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:02,149
every film about elvis

446
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,080
that doesn't star elvis himself

447
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:08,400
has always been pretty tough to pull off

448
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:11,520
i'm just saying seriously

449
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,630
and

450
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:19,039
although

451
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,200
i have the same issues

452
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,840
with this new elvis the new film called

453
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,880
elvis

454
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,280
i'm gonna give it a shot we'll see i do

455
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,520
it every single time

456
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:33,679
i do

457
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:36,720
you know but i'm disappointed in the end

458
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,190
they have spared no expense

459
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,919
you can tell in the trailer

460
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,240
that they've dumped the dosh in this

461
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:50,000
movie

462
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,200
okay

463
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,430
you can see that much you can see it you

464
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,120
can see it in the trailer

465
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,279
and in a strange way

466
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:01,760
i'm just saying

467
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:04,480
i feel bad for austin butler i like

468
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:13,190
but without having seen the film yet

469
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:15,430
i feel bad for him

470
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:21,350
you have two things going on and it's a

471
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,880
guarantee

472
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,960
first

473
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,039
who wouldn't want to play elvis it's the

474
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,120
role of a lifetime right you get offered

475
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,279
that you we want you to play elvis

476
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,039
you're gonna do it

477
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,760
right roll of a lifetime no doubt good

478
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,240
for austin

479
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,159
but

480
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:43,279
there is a number two

481
00:24:47,679 --> 00:24:50,470
even me

482
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,230
we're talking about the king

483
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:56,630
numerono

484
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,110
now we all know the king had the voice

485
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:06,480
but he also had the look

486
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,600
right

487
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,080
will the film be good enough to overcome

488
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,640
what every actor that has played elvis

489
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:15,360
in the past had to endure

490
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,159
right

491
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:18,880
the critics you know and i mean it it it

492
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,840
couldn't have been easy playing elvis

493
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,360
um

494
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:25,200
elvis had the love

495
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:26,640
he had the voice i'm gonna get back to

496
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,110
right

497
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:35,039
now

498
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,120
here is

499
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,360
here's the crazy part because look look

500
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:41,279
look so many elvis fans out there and if

501
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,400
you're going to play elvis on the big

502
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,320
screen they expect you know i mean

503
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:45,760
because elvis

504
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,159
is is in our heads

505
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,360
you know the eyes the thing that

506
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,279
he was elvis

507
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,279
so no matter who you are it doesn't

508
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,720
matter

509
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,240
you're not elvis

510
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,480
and so you're going to sit and go well i

511
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,520
mean it's okay man but you know no no

512
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:05,840
it's not elvis and that's that's that's

513
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:11,430
oh what about the vocals

514
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,320
let's say you overcome the look right

515
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:16,640
but because here's the crazy part

516
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:20,559
while elvis's own vocals

517
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,679
were used in the second half of the

518
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,679
movie

519
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:28,000
austin butler

520
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:33,510
now i'm going to stretch things a bit

521
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:34,720
here but

522
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:37,600
but if you squint your eyes just a

523
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,240
little bit you squint your eyes

524
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,559
the real austin butler not that not the

525
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:45,840
elvis version that's in the movie

526
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:48,080
but the real austin butler you just look

527
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:49,600
at him

528
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,320
he's kind of got a he's kind of got an

529
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,559
elvis vibe to him

530
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,559
he really does so i think he was cast it

531
00:27:02,710 --> 00:26:59,200
correctly but he plays guitar

532
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:02,720
and he sings and he's a great actor

533
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:03,600
right

534
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:05,840
so maybe

535
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,730
just maybe

536
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:08,640
[Music]

537
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:11,200
this is gonna be a cool flick

538
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,480
now

539
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,120
austin is singing

540
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,360
elvis's early stuff

541
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,600
and i don't know how far the early stuff

542
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:20,880
is

543
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,840
i guess he's lip syncing the second half

544
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,200
of the movie

545
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:27,279
right

546
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,720
oh man but but it's the decisions that

547
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:32,559
were made we'll have to wait

548
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,279
we'll have to wait but

549
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,440
i know that there's a lot of elvis fans

550
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,080
real elvis fans out there

551
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,399
and and i'm one of them

552
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,960
all right and for me to say

553
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:47,440
that i've been a fan since i was a kid

554
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,760
and you know that i've been to graceland

555
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:52,080
i've been to graceland a few times

556
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:53,120
and

557
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:00,840
i'm not

558
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:03,840
unique for me

559
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:08,799
you know and at my age right i was there

560
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,760
it all got real for me back in 1973 with

561
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,159
aloha from hawaii and up to that point i

562
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,520
was listening to elvis had the 45s and

563
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:19,840
and you know my parents house and things

564
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:20,720
and

565
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:26,320
elvis fan but man 1973

566
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:27,520
i was there

567
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:31,520
watched it live on tv

568
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,600
aloha from hawaii via satellite

569
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,600
and that was a game changer

570
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,600
and immediately after that my best

571
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:41,919
friend john de brava who lived across

572
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:44,960
the street from us in waukegan um at the

573
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:46,000
time

574
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:47,279
uh

575
00:28:56,830 --> 00:28:48,080
we

576
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:56,840
that thing out

577
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:01,039
and i would sit there and air guitar and

578
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,720
john had a real guitar and i would air

579
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guitar on the real guitar had a

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telescope on a tripod and that was my

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microphone

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and and i would do that entire double

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album back to back and i would sit there

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and lip sync elvis and it was just

585
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:21,760
in my head to this day i have the dvd

586
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aloha from from hawaii via satellite

587
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and and i got the old version of the dvd

588
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i guess the elvis corporation or

589
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whatever stopped that version of the dvd

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i happen to have it and i also have

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the dress rehearsal from the night

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before i've got that on dvd that's a

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rare thing

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elvis

595
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:47,279
is in my head

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this movie is a big deal

597
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i'm looking forward to it we're gonna

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have to wait i'm excited and just maybe

599
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,360
austin butler is gonna pull this off

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we're gonna see

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tom hanks

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parker

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um top shelf all the way down

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we're gonna find out i'm excited elvis

605
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releases this friday

606
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yeah normally i'm talking about time

607
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,640
travel or ufos right now

608
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what would what would tip that over

609
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elvis

610
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there you go thank you so much ray jobs

611
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:26,799
there it is that's the album cover

612
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man with the telstar satellite right

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there man

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thank you for that race this is fade to

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black i am your host jimmy church

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tonight tonight

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karen dalman is here we are going to do

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a full on a to z the history of ouija

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101 master class there will be a pop

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quiz we've got a lot to pack into the

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show tonight we're going to get it all

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done

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and tomorrow night david palmer is here

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man

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what a great week last night cruz

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tonight karen a dolman tomorrow night

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david palmer that's why this show

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is not only the best

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but you are the most spoiled audience

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in all of the world i'm your host jimmy

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church this is fade to black i'll be

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right back with karen a dolman it's

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going down tonight it's all ouija

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all night long stay with me

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church radio

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all right welcome back

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fade to black i'm here with jimmy church

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right there links are below three-pack

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special

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incredible tonight karen dalman is here

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and she's a published author she's a

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licensed professional counselor psychic

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reader noted ouija practitioner

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and host have created visions tv she

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serves as an office and director of the

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talking board historical society

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on and off the board she is showcased

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internationally all around the world at

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popular paranormal conferences

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on shows streaming shows tv all that

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stuff

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00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,160
regular guests on coast to coast am fade

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to black and other other radio shows

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and and karen is the best at this

741
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and she does push the boundaries of

742
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ouija and she holds a master's degree

743
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from the university of new mexico

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and is an experienced in hypnosis past

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life regression channeling and psychic

746
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readings

747
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,680
all that and much more and tonight we're

748
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doing a history of ouija one on one

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master class and i would

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like to welcome back to fade to black i

751
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:35,040
just smile every time i see her karen

752
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,640
karen a dolmen karen how are you i'm

753
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,480
doing great jimmy so great to be back

754
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,079
with you and i want to do a shout out to

755
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:44,000
the fader knots and i also want to say

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00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,520
to everybody happy summer solstice

757
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,160
yes and i posted a picture uh they

758
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:52,320
reopened stonehenge

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and uh yeah used thousands of

760
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,800
uh it was uh it was incredible and i

761
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,280
posted that this morning um i wanted

762
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:03,359
that you you may not remember do you

763
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:04,400
know

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00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,839
um as i recall we met at the conscious

765
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life expo we were in that special room

766
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,440
where we had like a little party with

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00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,200
george nori and

768
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,800
you were there

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00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:18,480
i go up to you and go hey jimmy i'm

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karen a dom and i wanted to meet you

771
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,760
yeah you're back friends

772
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,440
yeah george uh

773
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,599
it was really funny george introduced us

774
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,119
we were talking

775
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,200
uh george and i were talking about you i

776
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:33,599
think you saw george and i looking at

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00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,400
you

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00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:36,160
and then

779
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:38,800
we were alone back there was just you

780
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:41,119
uh george and i and a couple of other

781
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,800
people but that's how we met that's how

782
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:44,320
we met that day that's right it's been a

783
00:38:50,589 --> 00:38:47,280
long time that was a lot of fun that was

784
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,599
a long time ago can't believe it this is

785
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:52,240
2022

786
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,440
you know let's not forget but uh every

787
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:58,079
show that we have done with you over the

788
00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:59,599
years and i don't know how many shows

789
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:02,240
now that uh we have done together um

790
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,040
it's been a lot and and so many just

791
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:07,200
epic moments on the show

792
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:10,480
and i had uh over the last a couple of

793
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,520
months i started getting emails

794
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,440
uh jimmy when are you gonna have karen

795
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,880
back on the show

796
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:18,880
and and i thought is is karen telling

797
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,040
people to to email me

798
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,000
and they were just coming in and then uh

799
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,320
i was out i was uh doing some stuff a

800
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:28,960
couple of weeks ago um and i was in uh

801
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,520
detroit and somebody came up to me in

802
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,839
detroit when's the next ouija show with

803
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,920
karen dalman oh that's so sweet thank

804
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:36,960
you guys

805
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,200
and i was like you know what it's

806
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,440
we've got to do this now and and

807
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,359
everybody's been asking

808
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,839
uh about you and and wanting to do this

809
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,160
we've just had such great shows but

810
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:50,000
i wanted to do something different

811
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:51,040
tonight

812
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,720
um which is uh you have

813
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,560
uh not only you're on the board of

814
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,400
directors you you know

815
00:40:01,510 --> 00:40:00,480
the the world's largest ouija board you

816
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,520
remember that

817
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:04,079
uh how can i forget that i was there

818
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,960
yeah

819
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,440
and uh and did we

820
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,160
did we broadcast live from there did i

821
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,680
bring you in

822
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,440
no but we talked about a little bit on

823
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,880
your show when i was on a little bit

824
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,560
about the aftermath we actually ended up

825
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,480
in ripley's believe it or not book so

826
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:20,640
we're in there right in the center of it

827
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,119
and um it was that board was over nine

828
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,480
thousand pounds

829
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:26,800
i'll never i i i

830
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:29,440
you know i i how how can i forget that

831
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,720
and so

832
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,960
um you have

833
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,240
one of the

834
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:36,800
uh most amazing collections of boards

835
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:37,760
and we're going to go through all of

836
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:39,520
that tonight everybody this is very

837
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:40,480
exciting

838
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,920
uh planchettes uh other stuff too as

839
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:45,200
well and we're going to go through all

840
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:46,160
of that

841
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:50,000
um and because we are doing video

842
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,760
that everybody can see this uh go down

843
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:56,400
this is a very special night tonight

844
00:41:03,510 --> 00:40:59,200
and you can see what's going on

845
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,520
uh behind karen and and i have uh

846
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,480
i i i don't know this officially but i

847
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,960
have i suspect

848
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,040
that that is just a small part of what

849
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,079
you have um in your collection and yeah

850
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,200
yeah i can only imagine and uh

851
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,040
uh and and the planchettes and

852
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,880
everything else but we're going to go

853
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,240
through that i know that you have some

854
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,800
very rare and one-of-a-kind things we're

855
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,720
going to go through that and and the

856
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,720
history of it and then we'll talk about

857
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:30,560
some special moments

858
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,640
that you've had with the ouija over the

859
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:34,880
years and trade some stories so let's

860
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:37,760
get this i'm excited this is a this is a

861
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,400
different uh sort of show and for

862
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:43,440
everybody else a real education tonight

863
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,400
um on the history of ouija now

864
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,040
um has it been let's start with some

865
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:52,480
foundational stuff if if we may

866
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:55,680
what has it always been called luigi

867
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,040
um no

868
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:59,200
in fact it started about mid eighteen

869
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:00,400
hundred so

870
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:02,079
eighteen eighties i should say at that

871
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,520
after the spiritualist movement had

872
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,040
already kicked into the united states

873
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,119
now there was spiritism overseas in

874
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,359
france happening but spiritualism kicked

875
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,000
off in 1848 upper state new york with

876
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:14,720
the fox sisters so then we had of course

877
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,599
we had our civil war we had mass carnage

878
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,200
we had a lot of disease people lived to

879
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,280
be about 50 years old and we die in

880
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,599
childbirth all that stuff so around the

881
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:25,280
1880s

882
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:27,920
um is when also you start seeing this

883
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,640
peculiar device show up in

884
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,720
the with people at their homes and it

885
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:34,960
was just this grassroots movements that

886
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,079
started in ohio and these were called

887
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,040
either talking boards or spirit boards

888
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,440
not ouija boards and we'll talk about we

889
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,760
job versus ouija in a moment but it

890
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,839
started about 1880 now how do we know

891
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:49,520
this people at the talking board

892
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,560
historical society or historians dug up

893
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,200
all this research over the years and

894
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,680
they discovered that right around 1880

895
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,240
there was this articles that went viral

896
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,000
back then if you go viral it's in like

897
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:03,920
the boston globe some kind of you know

898
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:06,640
magazine or periodical and a newspaper

899
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:09,359
and it went it went viral and said the

900
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,160
craziest craze in the state of ohio

901
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,079
people are using their cutting boards

902
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,800
and wooden tools with numbers and

903
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,000
letters on them and they're moving

904
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:20,400
around and spelling it's crazy they're

905
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,760
getting answers

906
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:23,839
so what happened was

907
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,640
you have a bunch of businessmen who come

908
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,880
together and a businesswoman now the

909
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,480
businesswoman was just found out more

910
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,720
recently by robert murch who is the

911
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,400
president of the talking aboard

912
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:36,319
historical society we didn't know there

913
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,760
was a woman involved as part of the

914
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:39,839
business group of people who developed

915
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:44,000
the ouija well what happened was in 1886

916
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:47,680
the ws reed toy company had created

917
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,319
something and they called it the witch

918
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,640
board now how do we know this because

919
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,720
they took they wrote a letter and they

920
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:56,800
sent it to grover cleveland president

921
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,920
grover cleveland when he got married uh

922
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,440
to this younger woman so much younger

923
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,520
than himself and they sent it to him and

924
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,640
said uh

925
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:06,720
dear president we give this gift to you

926
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,280
and we hope you can use it and you enjoy

927
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:11,440
it for years to come and he basically

928
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:12,640
writes back

929
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,599
and says back to them uh dear sirs we

930
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:17,920
appreciate your ingenuity but i hardly

931
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:19,839
do think i will use this to consult

932
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,160
about the task in our world or for

933
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,040
presidential so what's interesting is we

934
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,280
know that this happened because when the

935
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,680
letter was sent from ws re toy company

936
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,680
to the president they sent it to the

937
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:34,079
boston globe so it went viral again and

938
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,520
everybody read this and when the

939
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,839
president said his letter back everybody

940
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:39,839
took that and put it again in the boston

941
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,960
globe that is when the talking board

942
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:44,960
was first manufactured we're talking

943
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:49,520
1886 but it was not the ouija

944
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,720
now uh we're going to get to wija ouiji

945
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,319
in a bit

946
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,440
let's back up then if that's the case

947
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,040
right here

948
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:00,960
um the

949
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:04,560
layout of the board as a spirit board

950
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:08,160
over in europe and in other places was

951
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:11,599
it fundamentally the same design with

952
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,000
the alphabet and numbers and yes and no

953
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,640
and and maybe even goodbye

954
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,480
well when it started out and i'll show

955
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,960
you an example i i drew one on cardboard

956
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:22,480
this is what one of the original earlier

957
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,760
ones might have looked like that they

958
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,079
were using um with cutting boards people

959
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,920
would take cutting boards or they would

960
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,680
just take their table and write the

961
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:31,040
letters and numbers on them sorry i got

962
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,560
so much stuff here you guys i have so

963
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:33,680
many things to show you it's not even

964
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,560
funny so here's when i chew up this this

965
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,839
is an example of what one would have

966
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,319
looked like maybe just yes no goodbye

967
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:43,200
goodnight some kind of salutation the

968
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,480
numbers and letters and it wasn't

969
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,000
anything really fancy it wasn't like

970
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,760
something we're mass producing yet

971
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:49,599
people were just putting this as cutting

972
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,640
boards

973
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:52,800
cut on it later on their table and they

974
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,800
would turn a shot glass upside down or

975
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,800
that was mostly in europe would do that

976
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,280
they would take something like a um

977
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,520
a basket and turn the basket upside down

978
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,200
they learned that from france and it

979
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,960
would move around spelling out things

980
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:06,960
they'd use pencils different kinds of

981
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:09,920
pointing devices but i have to say this

982
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,240
the reason why it evolved to a talking

983
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,160
board is because people were already

984
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,640
starting to put letters down like you

985
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:18,640
back then you had children's alphabet

986
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,760
boards

987
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,359
and that's how children would learn the

988
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,599
alphabet it looks just like a ouija

989
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,440
board really you guys might have the

990
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,880
letters on it or something like that

991
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,960
maybe some numbers and people would use

992
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,560
that or they would just make their own

993
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:32,960
up on a cutting board and they they just

994
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:35,680
decided they would try to see what would

995
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:37,359
communicate and all of a sudden

996
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,319
things are coming through they're

997
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,480
getting messages and they believed they

998
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,400
were talking to spirits especially

999
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,920
people that might have died in their

1000
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:46,560
family from the civil war or people who

1001
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,839
died like i mentioned earlier people

1002
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:49,440
didn't live that long back then and so

1003
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,800
they wanted to make that connection so

1004
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,880
that's really where it started it wasn't

1005
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,800
until the business people i told you

1006
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:56,720
about that got together and decided to

1007
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,440
create something called the ouija board

1008
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:01,599
which is what i have behind me mostly

1009
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:05,599
now was there um anything negative about

1010
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:09,200
spirit boards uh back then uh

1011
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:12,079
did was there you know and any

1012
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,680
any any darkness uh around it or was it

1013
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,079
just just a thing and and and there

1014
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:20,160
wasn't much concern about it

1015
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:21,839
well when first the craze started in the

1016
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:24,240
1880s it wasn't like it was this

1017
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,520
negative thing

1018
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:27,040
but however

1019
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,000
there were people were doing

1020
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,160
spiritualist camps and spiritualist

1021
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:31,920
readings there's a lot of hocus pocus

1022
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,119
and fakery and so a lot of the religious

1023
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,880
religious movements and people would say

1024
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:38,720
oh that's poohy that's that doesn't

1025
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,160
really work um it's not good it's a evil

1026
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,640
so there's always something about you

1027
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,800
can't talk to the spirits but only your

1028
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,200
reverend or preacher or person who's you

1029
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:51,040
know trained in it can speak to the

1030
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,319
spirit so there's always been that kind

1031
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,640
of stigma that's come along with it over

1032
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:55,839
the years

1033
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:58,800
okay so

1034
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,599
it's america it's the united states

1035
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,359
people like to make money

1036
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,079
right that's uh it's a capitalistic

1037
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,319
society and

1038
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,800
uh they see the spirit board and

1039
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,720
eventually somebody's gonna go there

1040
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:14,880
there's there's a market for this

1041
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,440
we can sell these and and that's that's

1042
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,960
what happened next

1043
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,720
that's right so the gentleman's name was

1044
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:23,040
charles kennard he had a company called

1045
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,720
he started the company called the kenner

1046
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:27,040
novelty company and he was one of the

1047
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,559
first ones there's a story about where

1048
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,640
the board really originated but he was

1049
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,960
in charge of the ouija people that came

1050
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:34,319
together to create the ouija and i'll

1051
00:48:39,150 --> 00:48:36,079
explain that so this board back here is

1052
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:39,160
my oldest board it's circa

1053
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,720
1892-93

1054
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,079
the board was originally created in

1055
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:44,400
1890. they didn't put a name on it which

1056
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,520
was when says luigi trademark until 1891

1057
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,359
when they got the patent this one would

1058
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,599
have came out right after that um and

1059
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,440
this is what they look like basically a

1060
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,680
little star in the corner

1061
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,599
um you might have this little crescent

1062
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,079
moon and star and this is actually guys

1063
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,640
a full moon it's not the sun and i'll

1064
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,240
talk about that later when it became the

1065
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,480
sun so it was a full moon and a crescent

1066
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:07,920
moon and this is what it looked like

1067
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,920
this is the oldest one in my collection

1068
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,920
my colleagues who are also collectors in

1069
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,839
the talking about historical society

1070
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:15,839
have a lot more boards jimmy i have at

1071
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,480
least 85. they have a lot more than i do

1072
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,240
and they have some really

1073
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,319
great ones i just started collecting in

1074
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:23,839
the last 15 years a lot of these people

1075
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,839
have been collecting for 20 25 years

1076
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,760
something about 30 35 where you can get

1077
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:29,680
some boards real for a great price

1078
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:31,280
anyway this is my oldest board but this

1079
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,240
is the group the charles canard novelty

1080
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:35,920
company that came together

1081
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,319
several of them william fold is a very

1082
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,240
popular name many of you will hear about

1083
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,880
he was actually the patent attorney who

1084
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,480
was the one that took it to the patent

1085
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,720
house to get it patented and his

1086
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,040
sister-in-law her name is helen peters

1087
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,880
well helen peterson she got married to a

1088
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,440
gentleman notsworthy now she was

1089
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,000
actually lost to history until robert

1090
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,079
merch dug it up dug her up and found her

1091
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,240
family and i'm going to jump forward to

1092
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,079
2000 and uh

1093
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,640
was it 18. um we got together and gave

1094
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:06,079
her a gravestone she had no gravestone

1095
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,200
and that's actually sitting in the

1096
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,599
fairmont uh cemetery in denver we can

1097
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,359
get to that later anyway so they came

1098
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,839
together and said let's take this craze

1099
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,520
and make some money just like you said

1100
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:17,599
it's about capitalism and making money

1101
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,800
so they drew this up similar to this

1102
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:22,880
and um they wanted to get it patented

1103
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,359
trademark the story goes it's just a

1104
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,280
story that was handed down from the

1105
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,839
families of of the people who created

1106
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,079
the board such as helen peters family

1107
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,880
william fold the story goes like this

1108
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,280
william fold and miss peters who was

1109
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,280
actually considered a gifted gifted

1110
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:41,599
medium went to the patented trademark

1111
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,440
office in dc

1112
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,599
and they wanted to meet up with all the

1113
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,119
different patent officers like hey we

1114
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:49,359
want to get this patented and trademark

1115
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,079
they're like no no no no no finally the

1116
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,760
head guy comes out

1117
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:55,599
he goes look you don't know me i don't

1118
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,720
know you

1119
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,079
i've never seen you before you don't

1120
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,640
know my name if that contraption can

1121
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,319
spell out my name

1122
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,480
i'll give you your patent so guess what

1123
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,160
it did

1124
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,720
it spelled out his name he said

1125
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:10,319
here's your patent get out of here

1126
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,839
basically but now that's the story we

1127
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,839
don't have the facts behind to prove

1128
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:15,359
that but that is one of the stories the

1129
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,079
family has passed down over the years

1130
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:21,040
now if somebody is collecting uh because

1131
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,559
what you just showed us the one from

1132
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:24,720
1891 that's that's

1133
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:27,760
that's that's the real deal

1134
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:30,800
if somebody's uh starts collecting these

1135
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,359
what kind of value um

1136
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,800
you know what is something like that

1137
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,280
worth a board from 1891

1138
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,640
you know depends what shape it's in

1139
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,400
mine's in decent shape i see some that

1140
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,920
are like pristine we're talking

1141
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,920
thousands of dollars some of these wards

1142
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,839
can go for several thousand i mean

1143
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,280
there's so there's so many different

1144
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,920
types that were made early uh well 1890s

1145
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,599
up to the early 1900s and they're just

1146
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:54,079
incredible or there was a run of only so

1147
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,240
many like one of my colleagues has a

1148
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:58,480
metal board that was made before the war

1149
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,920
and then they had tickled scrap metal

1150
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,200
and most of them got thrown back to be

1151
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,839
made into bullets and tanks and stuff

1152
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:05,200
and he there's only a few of those out

1153
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,880
there and he happens to have one and it

1154
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:08,880
lights up it's pretty cool there's so

1155
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,720
many variations now i'm just talking

1156
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:12,000
ouija

1157
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:16,079
so popular all these companies in the

1158
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,280
late 1890s popped up to think i want to

1159
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,800
steal part of the market i mean that's

1160
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:22,800
that's what we do in capitalism i'm

1161
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,880
going to deal part of the market

1162
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,040
and it turned out none of them ever

1163
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,440
could compete with the ouija

1164
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:31,119
they could not compete with it luigi

1165
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,720
would became a name almost like you hear

1166
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:34,319
like kleenex we call almost every tissue

1167
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:37,119
kleenex it was that popular

1168
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,000
way

1169
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:40,480
every

1170
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,280
one right

1171
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:47,040
yeah i

1172
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:49,119
can't think of uh

1173
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:51,280
one i've got one

1174
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:55,440
right um everybody's got one um now okay

1175
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,240
and you know it's 300 how many how many

1176
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,559
300 million houses in the united states

1177
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,400
that's a that's a that's a pretty good

1178
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,400
chunk of change and that's only one

1179
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:06,880
board there's multiples now okay so

1180
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,079
let's back up

1181
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:11,040
luigi ouija right

1182
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:13,839
let's let's get there so we can continue

1183
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:17,839
with this foundation yeah um and was

1184
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:20,720
was the original patent

1185
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,040
uh ouija ouija

1186
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:25,280
the original patent was pronounced weeja

1187
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,800
and they put a phonetic spelling on the

1188
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:28,720
back of the boxes such as what some of

1189
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,880
the um planchettes might come in here's

1190
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,280
a planchet from about 1898. i have an

1191
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:35,520
1898 board you can't see that's up here

1192
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:37,599
oh it's up there where's my 1898 i have

1193
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,200
a lot of old boards and this is one of

1194
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,599
the original uh one planchets and this

1195
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,200
we call this the paddle planche it looks

1196
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,599
like a you know

1197
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,240
ping-pong paddle but this so so in the

1198
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:50,000
back of the box on the rich some of the

1199
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:51,040
original

1200
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:52,000
um

1201
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:53,520
planchettes or boards it put the

1202
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,280
phonetic spelling a wee

1203
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,680
ja now ouija does not mean

1204
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:00,240
we in spanish and ja and german yes yes

1205
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:02,079
that that that's always that's has never

1206
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,040
been true

1207
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:04,640
uh and and they dug it up the the

1208
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:05,920
talking about historical society dug

1209
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,359
this up and found out what that really

1210
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:09,280
means and where it really came from but

1211
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,640
yes it's pronounced ouija now because of

1212
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:14,960
pop culture and enough people saying

1213
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:18,000
ouija you can say it interchangeably

1214
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,680
you'll hear me mostly saying ouija when

1215
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,960
i think about it and other times i'll

1216
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,119
say ouija real fast you can say it

1217
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,960
either way but ouija is the actual

1218
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:26,880
pronunciation when it was first patented

1219
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,000
and trademarked now if i'm hanging out

1220
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,240
with a bunch of you we just

1221
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,400
right i'm hanging out and i need to be

1222
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,480
cool in the conversation i'm not going

1223
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:39,280
to say ouija right

1224
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:40,720
well look at you and go

1225
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:43,599
he's two more he's new to this

1226
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:46,000
right okay so

1227
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,680
uh and you and i have talked about this

1228
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:50,160
for so many years and i still hear

1229
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:51,680
you're back on the show and i'm i'm

1230
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:55,520
saying ouija it's okay we jaw i'm not

1231
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,040
gonna correct you it's fine you could

1232
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:59,359
say ouija but there's still some boxes i

1233
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,640
had one here i was looking at i think it

1234
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,559
was this one this is my glow-in-the-dark

1235
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,200
a very modern board came out in 1999 i

1236
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,920
think is this when it says we join it

1237
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,839
it may not be in here well i i have so

1238
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,280
many boards around you guys right now to

1239
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:13,440
show you but it did say and this is back

1240
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,640
in the oh 1990s it was still pronounced

1241
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,920
as ouija

1242
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,599
i think it's just more in the 2000s if

1243
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,920
people just go quick ouija we do we g

1244
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,520
and you know there's some songs about it

1245
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:25,040
and i think they say ouija and all that

1246
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:26,720
stuff so you'll hear you'll hear a

1247
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,240
mixture we wouldn't we wouldn't make fun

1248
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,040
of you jimmy now i'm i'm i'm going out

1249
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,680
on a limb here but i i'm thinking that

1250
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,280
in your kitchen

1251
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,200
next to your cutlery

1252
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:39,760
you have a ouija cutting board

1253
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,200
no i don't but i'll tell you what i do

1254
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:43,119
have i have all kinds of ouija mugs and

1255
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:45,040
ouija cups and we do a little bit of

1256
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,480
ouija everything and

1257
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,599
i have a ouija tray it's right back here

1258
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,760
um you can see part of it right it's

1259
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,119
backwards you guys right there

1260
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:55,200
haskellite tray they made one of the 40s

1261
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,559
that you carry it out and might have

1262
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,400
your drinks on it you might do aperitifs

1263
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:00,400
you might do a after dinner drink or it

1264
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,319
might just be coffee and and trumpets

1265
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,559
and whatever but you bring it out and

1266
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,559
you would just eat that and and then go

1267
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,000
play the board afterwards right right on

1268
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:10,480
top of the serving tray now when we come

1269
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:11,680
back we're going to go through your

1270
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:14,400
board collection um are they in

1271
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:21,349
different alphabets right different

1272
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,119
languages on on on the boards yep

1273
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,599
and what about um and i want to see some

1274
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:29,359
of those now

1275
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:32,480
what about with countries that

1276
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,319
may not like this is is has weja ever

1277
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,480
been illegal are there some countries

1278
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,240
where it's not allowed

1279
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,920
well it you know what it's not that it's

1280
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:43,440
not been allowed it's that's been it's

1281
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:46,720
been shunned or put down or stigmatized

1282
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:49,359
because of certain religious sex that's

1283
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,880
typically what does it so you'll get

1284
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,119
some maybe some catholic more catholic

1285
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,520
practicing countries or superstitious

1286
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,280
countries that would say i would never

1287
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,200
touch one so you'll see a lot less there

1288
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,960
today it's really changed the internet

1289
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,640
and movies from hollywood and everything

1290
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,480
else that's going on around the world

1291
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,920
you guys know we can talk to everybody

1292
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:08,160
at any moment and share stuff and so

1293
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,359
you're going to find ouija boards coming

1294
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,119
out of almost every country

1295
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,960
i sell my book the spirits that ouija i

1296
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:14,880
have here i sell it to almost every

1297
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,960
country and sometimes it'll sell a lot

1298
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,720
in like korea or china and i'm like what

1299
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,559
do they do they must have done a talk on

1300
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:21,920
it or something i'm selling like

1301
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,960
hundreds of them or something that's

1302
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:24,480
weird so

1303
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,920
you'll find that it is in every country

1304
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:27,520
now but originally it came out of the

1305
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,640
united states and then william fold who

1306
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,880
got the patented trademark got another

1307
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:35,359
one and sold it to canada

1308
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:37,119
uh so they could actually create uh

1309
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,559
ouija boards too and so they have

1310
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:40,480
canadian has one almost as long as we

1311
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,000
have so it's canada and united states

1312
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:44,400
where it started first now i have a

1313
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:47,760
memory i want you to confirm it for me

1314
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,880
uh

1315
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:50,799
this is a number of years ago over 20

1316
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:51,920
years ago

1317
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,559
and i was at toys r us i'm with my

1318
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:56,240
daughter nicole

1319
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,440
and uh we're goofing around and and she

1320
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:01,920
comes up to me and she's got i i think

1321
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:05,119
it was like a barbie ouija board

1322
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,359
and and she's like three right four

1323
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:11,520
daddy i want this and i looked and i

1324
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,119
went uh

1325
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,040
no

1326
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:18,000
it

1327
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,440
barbie ouija board did was there a

1328
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,920
barbie ouija board or something similar

1329
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:27,920
similar what it is it's a it's a pink

1330
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,160
ouija board an attached

1331
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:32,160
case made for girls do we have time to

1332
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:33,440
show that right now or should we wait

1333
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,839
until after one of course you do yeah

1334
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:37,119
let me see

1335
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:39,200
okay so here it is you guys this is the

1336
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:40,400
pink ouija

1337
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,440
um

1338
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,920
cute little attache case okay

1339
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,599
um and it comes with listen this is so

1340
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:47,440
fun all right so mine has never been

1341
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:49,920
opened um it comes with a set of cards

1342
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:52,480
and the cards give you 72 72 cards with

1343
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:55,119
two questions on each card to ask for

1344
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:56,960
example here's one you'd like jimmy it

1345
00:59:02,549 --> 00:59:00,640
says will i ever be a famous musician

1346
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,559
who would do anything for me there's a

1347
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:04,160
little question for little girls they

1348
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:07,440
say and then here's the pink plain chat

1349
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:08,559
right

1350
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:10,079
and then here's the board itself now i

1351
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:11,359
gotta tell you there's a quick story

1352
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:12,240
about this

1353
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:13,119
there's one of the stories i want to

1354
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,079
share with you guys because this is

1355
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,000
pretty sure you want to open this on the

1356
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:18,000
air it's never been opened oh no i've

1357
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,359
taken it i've used it before you can

1358
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:21,280
watch my shows where i do it i just keep

1359
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,480
it in that

1360
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,720
shade case i like to keep it pristine it

1361
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,000
really was when it came to me it was not

1362
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:29,040
used okay so um this board came out what

1363
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,880
year is it um 2008. came out in 2008 and

1364
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:34,400
what happened was

1365
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:36,799
uh religious groups started

1366
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,799
getting really upset they said no you

1367
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:40,319
can't be doing this to girls and little

1368
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,160
kids and we don't like ouija boarding

1369
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:44,319
anyway they said it's sinister they

1370
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,359
boycotted against hasbro at this point

1371
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:49,680
since 1999 hasbro took it from parker

1372
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,480
brothers and that was in 99 and so they

1373
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,880
started creating this board and they

1374
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,640
said we we don't want you again we're

1375
01:00:02,309 --> 00:59:58,559
gonna boycott hasbro all the other games

1376
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:02,319
hasbro sold so in 2012 they removed it

1377
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:03,440
so if you get one of these boards you

1378
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:04,400
guys get it because they're worth

1379
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:08,480
something now in 2013

1380
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:10,880
they replaced it with

1381
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:13,839
this board here's the box

1382
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,240
this board and this one comes with a

1383
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:18,640
planchette that actually lights up can

1384
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:21,280
you see that lit up purple oh wow yeah i

1385
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,480
remember this thing and her secret

1386
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:24,160
messages in here you can see them when

1387
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,359
you go over it

1388
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:27,760
anyway this is a darker deeper more

1389
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sinister looking board than the pink one

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but this is what they came out with in

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2013 to replace the pink one

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and and and and i guess everybody's cool

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with that very interesting they are

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let's take a break right here our guest

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tonight the one and only karen a dolmen

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we are doing a ouija

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master class one-on-one the history of

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everybody stay right there i am your

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welcome back karen a dollman is with us

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um check it out the links are below and

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also before i bring karen back in

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um i've been talking about this for a

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while

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and uh i can't put it on but uh ken

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this is for you

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that's ken's company right there ken

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priest

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rye southern biscuits

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there it is right there i've got my own

1555
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ken preset can take a picture take a

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all

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right i'm so so proud of that hat our

1558
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guest tonight karen dalman uh tonight is

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uh a ouija 101 masterclass the history

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of ouija i've got my ouija mug don't

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um

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the

1563
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:40,229
what's that 1892 93.

1564
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okay wow

1565
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but your board is from 1891. did um it

1566
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did did the patent also include the

1567
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planchette

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01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:50,400
it did and this is what it would look

1569
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:52,159
like it was it was a plancha just like

1570
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this one

1571
01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:56,880
would have four legs on it and so this

1572
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,120
this one did come with that old board so

1573
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:01,359
it would look like this and as i start

1574
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:03,759
notice this now watch they start getting

1575
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:06,480
not as tall see this is this like 1898

1576
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:08,239
now and then eventually you get more

1577
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:09,600
like this

1578
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:10,799
which you're used to seeing where

1579
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:13,440
they're very short and we have today

1580
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:15,520
it's just like this see you can see how

1581
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:17,199
the progression of how they change when

1582
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,279
it's high like this what i found because

1583
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,359
you know jimmy i use all my boards we've

1584
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been we we did messages on this show

1585
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:25,199
before i use all my boards when it's

1586
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:27,279
higher like this i find that it's kind

1587
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:29,279
of like it's not as sturdy when it

1588
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:31,040
starts to move it's it's kind of like

1589
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:32,480
being in those old jeeps that can tip

1590
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,600
over quickly if you turn a corner nice

1591
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:36,960
um and then when they get lower like

1592
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:38,640
this you start your center of gravity

1593
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,799
it's a little better so i think about

1594
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:42,239
like the things like that because i do

1595
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,920
use my boards and i use the planchettes

1596
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:45,279
and for example

1597
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:46,560
i talked to you earlier about that light

1598
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,000
up planchette i just put it back in the

1599
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:50,560
box it's so heavy it was horrible

1600
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,799
everybody complained about it so they

1601
01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:54,719
re-released that board and they made it

1602
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:56,000
with the smaller and i have one over

1603
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:58,080
there somewhere a smaller shorter

1604
01:10:02,229 --> 01:10:00,159
planchet like this and it worked

1605
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:02,239
wonderfully for that so you'll see them

1606
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:04,080
doing these boards and who owns it now

1607
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,640
as hasbro they will take a board from an

1608
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:08,640
olden days and they'll will bring it

1609
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:10,560
back uh because they'll make it like a

1610
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,880
retro board for example this is not too

1611
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:14,880
long ago this is not by hasbro this by

1612
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,880
winning moves but they got the rights

1613
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:18,480
from hasbro to make this one which looks

1614
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,760
more retro

1615
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:21,440
and bring it back because the board

1616
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:23,840
started getting very different all

1617
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:25,679
different kinds of ways of showing ouija

1618
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:27,440
if you could even see back here all

1619
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:29,600
those are ouijas these are swami's

1620
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:31,280
that's a whole new story but the other

1621
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:32,640
ones are ouijas you can see they're all

1622
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:35,440
so different um my preference is the

1623
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:38,159
older style i do like how they changed

1624
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:39,440
over the years

1625
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:41,679
let me see what you what's your favorite

1626
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:43,280
board okay my favorite board all the

1627
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:45,440
time which you see rodney and i use

1628
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:46,960
is this one

1629
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:49,679
because i love the size of it it's huge

1630
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:52,320
this is actually a william full board

1631
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:53,760
they owned it have they bought it they

1632
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:55,760
bought it from charles kennard or not

1633
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:57,280
ouija novelty company charles kenner

1634
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,920
novelty company they own it the longest

1635
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:01,280
and then it went into hands and parker

1636
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:03,760
bros this this is um before parker

1637
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:06,239
brothers i love this one the size of it

1638
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:09,120
uh the plant [\h__\h] works nicely on here

1639
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:11,679
has room to not fall off but my other

1640
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:14,320
board i really really like

1641
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:16,239
is this one right here this is the one

1642
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,000
that santa claus gave me in 1973.

1643
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:21,840
my this is my original ouija board and

1644
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:23,679
this is the parker brothers they started

1645
01:11:28,350 --> 01:11:25,440
making this one in 81.

1646
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:28,360
so excuse me they made this one in

1647
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:32,159
1967 when they bought it in 66 from um

1648
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,440
william fold and they started making

1649
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:34,960
this type of ouija

1650
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:38,159
so okay take me through the uh the

1651
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:40,960
history of ownership here

1652
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:44,480
um fold who did the patent

1653
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:45,280
right

1654
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,800
he but he didn't own the company it was

1655
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:48,400
charles kennard

1656
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:49,840
right brought unfold as one of the

1657
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:52,640
business partners and fo the patent was

1658
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:55,280
in fold's name though correct because he

1659
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,719
was he was a patent attorney

1660
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:00,400
correct he was part of he was one of the

1661
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:01,920
original investors

1662
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:03,600
there was a group of i think five or six

1663
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:05,520
and the women and also miss uh helen

1664
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:07,120
peters i told you about was one of the

1665
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,040
original investors too and it just

1666
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:11,040
started changing names so what happened

1667
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,800
is fold um

1668
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:14,640
uh not excuse me elijah bond we're

1669
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:16,000
talking about elijah bond was a patent

1670
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:18,880
attorney it's in his name william fold

1671
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:20,560
was somebody who came into the company

1672
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:22,159
as a varnisher he worked with the

1673
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:24,480
original company and he worked his way

1674
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:27,600
up at the end what happened was um

1675
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:28,719
bowie

1676
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:31,840
of the um a knife company

1677
01:12:35,189 --> 01:12:33,920
he actually um

1678
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:35,199
um

1679
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:37,760
sold all of his stocks and gave it over

1680
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:40,159
to fold full took ownership of it that's

1681
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:41,440
how the fold family got that's how

1682
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:43,600
william fold got it now he had a brother

1683
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:46,000
named isaac fold they had a huge falling

1684
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:47,520
out when they were falling out they

1685
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:49,760
parted way and isaac started making a

1686
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,760
different type of board where full was

1687
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:53,440
making this board that his brother's

1688
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:55,679
board could not compete that started a

1689
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:57,120
family feud

1690
01:13:02,310 --> 01:12:59,440
that lasted up to the 2000s

1691
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,320
yeah that's what i i i remember uh going

1692
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:04,800
through the history of this and yeah

1693
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:07,040
you're right i i'm i'm all mixed up

1694
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:09,440
elijah was the attorney yeah elijah

1695
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,920
braun was and by the way if you see that

1696
01:13:14,229 --> 01:13:13,199
you go online right now you can do a

1697
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:14,239
search for it you guys out there

1698
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:17,360
listening watching you look up uh bonds

1699
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:20,159
ouija ouija board uh gravestone and

1700
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:22,159
you'll see it pop up that is the

1701
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,320
beginning the loose beginning of the

1702
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:26,400
talking board historical society there

1703
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:27,760
were collectors that came together

1704
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:29,440
people who really enjoyed the history of

1705
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:32,239
ouija and they gave him a a gravestone

1706
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:33,600
he did not have one

1707
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:35,120
so they actually gave him a ouija board

1708
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:36,719
and that which which which is very

1709
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:39,040
fitting because he was the one that had

1710
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:40,560
that got the patent

1711
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:41,679
yeah remember

1712
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:44,880
i remember the pictures i posted it

1713
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:47,040
yeah it was it was very cool

1714
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:51,440
um okay so now did the boards change

1715
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:54,159
uh because of the way it took off in you

1716
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:56,719
know from 1900 to 1920

1717
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:58,320
right it was like

1718
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:00,320
this was a big time thing it was a

1719
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:03,280
phenomenon uh did the boards change and

1720
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:05,600
do you have any examples of anything

1721
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:08,320
from the 1920s i'm just curious

1722
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:09,520
i do i'm going to i'm going to show i

1723
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:10,880
want to show you this let me just show

1724
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:13,280
you how this board changed

1725
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:14,640
from the symbols and i'm going to pull a

1726
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:18,239
few boards here to show you this example

1727
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:19,760
yeah and so i'm going to take you from

1728
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,159
the very beginning 1890 i'm going to

1729
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:24,080
show you these faces i want you to look

1730
01:14:27,910 --> 01:14:26,080
at this face right here so when the

1731
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:27,920
board came out you guys everybody thinks

1732
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:29,679
it's the sun oops there i'm sorry this

1733
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:32,080
is all backwards for me that's the sun

1734
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:35,120
the reality is this it was a full moon

1735
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:37,280
it was a full moon and then a crescent

1736
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:38,960
moon with the star

1737
01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:40,320
on the other corner

1738
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:42,159
and so what happened this this was in 19

1739
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:45,280
let me see what year was it 1917 is when

1740
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:47,600
all sudden the moon gets a face it's

1741
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:50,159
still a moon but now it has a face

1742
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:52,960
and then it wasn't till 1944 the sun

1743
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:55,280
gets a face and now the moon

1744
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,970
has a face

1745
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:58,480
[Music]

1746
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,560
did this william fold changed it this

1747
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:02,159
was charles kennard

1748
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:03,600
and this would have been william fold

1749
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,280
two changing it and this is what the

1750
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:07,440
fold ended up being this became the look

1751
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:09,840
of ouija for many many years now you're

1752
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:12,239
asking me about the ouija and changing

1753
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,000
over the years gotta understand what

1754
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:16,400
also changed was just way talking boards

1755
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,800
look so for example in the 1920s 30s 40s

1756
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:23,120
there was such a rise in popularity of

1757
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:24,960
the eastern theme you know like the

1758
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:28,400
egyptian tombs the far east india it was

1759
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,880
like all just really cool so you'll see

1760
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:32,719
a lot of boards here's an example one

1761
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:34,880
the mystic tray i talked about earlier

1762
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,280
haskellite made this one if you look at

1763
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:39,120
it you've got some stuff from the far

1764
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:41,840
east going on here

1765
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:42,960
you do have a little witch in this

1766
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:45,040
corner um from

1767
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:47,040
disneyland kind of witch but this is the

1768
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:49,040
serving tray i told you about you can

1769
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:50,239
actually bring stuff out serve it and

1770
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:52,080
then use this board so this is like a

1771
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:54,880
1940s board now

1772
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:56,159
you will i love that i gotta show you

1773
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:58,239
this progression so i have this old

1774
01:16:02,229 --> 01:16:00,800
swami and look this again the middle

1775
01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:02,239
eastern theme you'll see a lot of this

1776
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:05,840
in the 40s this is a 1944 board and the

1777
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:07,280
company that made it is called gift

1778
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:09,040
craft now this is not in the best

1779
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:11,600
condition it has like a rip over here

1780
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:13,440
but i don't care i rescue boards i have

1781
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:14,560
boards that have been used as cutting

1782
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:15,840
boards i think they're all beautiful in

1783
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:18,640
their own way they tell a story so jimmy

1784
01:16:22,830 --> 01:16:20,560
you're gonna like this so it's made by

1785
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:22,840
gift craft the address is

1786
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:26,719
666 lakeshore drive chicago

1787
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:30,080
shut up no that's that's legit address

1788
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:33,199
now watch this this board was so popular

1789
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:34,960
they brought it back another company

1790
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:36,719
made it just recently i think i got this

1791
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:39,760
in 2017 or maybe it's 15 somewhere in

1792
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:41,440
that time called the swami so they're

1793
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:43,199
exactly the same

1794
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,199
it's just this company's making it and

1795
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,760
they brought it back the same images and

1796
01:16:51,669 --> 01:16:49,760
actually it's more of a wooden board

1797
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:51,679
this one's more compressed particle it's

1798
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:53,600
this is a better board and

1799
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:55,360
i love the plant shed i didn't get the

1800
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:57,040
planche of the old one

1801
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:58,880
but the planchette looked like this and

1802
01:17:02,470 --> 01:17:01,440
it's just a lovely

1803
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:02,480
so cool

1804
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:05,600
is the address 666 lakeshore drive on

1805
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:07,760
the new version too no it's a whole

1806
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:10,480
different company that did it okay

1807
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:12,239
distribution company i did it so they

1808
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:13,520
don't have the same address that address

1809
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:16,159
is now gone but there was weird things

1810
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:17,679
like that you might find about these

1811
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,120
boards like where they were made or what

1812
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:21,280
company or the address there's all these

1813
01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:23,040
weird kind of things but that's that's

1814
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:26,080
what i like about collecting you get to

1815
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:27,760
witness all this and you get to be it's

1816
01:17:33,189 --> 01:17:30,480
part of history um the ouija really

1817
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,199
reflects pop culture and that's been

1818
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:35,280
going on since the day it was created

1819
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:37,040
and as you can see as as people were

1820
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:38,320
more interested in the united states

1821
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:40,640
about the far east you start seeing the

1822
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:43,440
shift of all the graphics on it and then

1823
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,199
like i showed you this [\h__\h] changes in

1824
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:47,280
the face the board is always getting

1825
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:49,760
that facelift if you will and even to

1826
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:52,400
this day and so you'll nowadays because

1827
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,880
movies are so popular you'll get you'll

1828
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,640
get boards that are like named after a

1829
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:58,640
movie or a famous person like the the

1830
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:00,320
bowie board or you'll get something like

1831
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:02,800
a stranger things board um there's all

1832
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:04,719
these theme boards now because of what's

1833
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:07,440
going on and shows and on and on tv as

1834
01:18:10,830 --> 01:18:09,600
well now um

1835
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:10,840
the

1836
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:13,679
uh um

1837
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:15,360
we're there and i'm thinking about you

1838
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:18,400
know the 1920s when egypt was such a big

1839
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:21,440
deal yes um did they have boards with an

1840
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:24,000
egyptian theme absolutely there's the

1841
01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:25,840
egyptian board i do not have egyptian

1842
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:28,800
board um i have uh the ouija queen

1843
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:31,600
crystal gazer the same era no but uh

1844
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:33,360
what's that one up there that's another

1845
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:35,040
one too yeah there was a whole egyptian

1846
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:36,239
theme that went on i mean there's all

1847
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:37,679
kinds of egyptian boards i do not have

1848
01:18:41,590 --> 01:18:39,760
one in my collection but my colleagues

1849
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:41,600
do and there's so many different themes

1850
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:43,360
here you go you guys if you would like

1851
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,440
to go look at the boards and how they

1852
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:47,040
changed over the years my good friend

1853
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:49,199
and colleague gene orlando he's been on

1854
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:51,600
my show creative visions tv and we do

1855
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:52,880
all these little specials about the

1856
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:55,360
different boards he owns the

1857
01:19:00,110 --> 01:18:58,000
world's first a talking board museum

1858
01:19:01,669 --> 01:19:00,120
online it's called museum of

1859
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:01,679
talkingboards.com

1860
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:04,080
go there you'll learn so much about all

1861
01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:06,080
these boards it's just it's crazy and

1862
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:08,080
he's one of the original historians from

1863
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:09,520
the talking about historical society and

1864
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:10,560
i've worked with him over the years and

1865
01:19:16,110 --> 01:19:12,800
it's been a been an honor and a pleasure

1866
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:16,120
museum of talking

1867
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:18,719
boardsplural.com now somebody asked if

1868
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:20,880
there is an alien board well look here's

1869
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:22,960
one that's space themed now look i know

1870
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:25,040
i didn't make this people make their own

1871
01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:26,080
boards and i want everybody to

1872
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,239
understand that you have a theme you

1873
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,400
like make your own this one came with a

1874
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:32,640
cute little blue planchette my friend

1875
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:35,199
shasta michaels uh did they start to

1876
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:37,199
sell these online she made up just a

1877
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:39,840
bunch of cute ones like here's a

1878
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:41,760
you know little cute pinky one and

1879
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:43,679
here's one's like some uh i don't know

1880
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:45,520
hearts on it and stuff

1881
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:47,120
and these are what's nice these are

1882
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:49,520
flexible so these i use as my traveling

1883
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,920
boards so when i travel

1884
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:53,600
and i go to talks and i'm teaching

1885
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:56,080
workshops i will let people use these

1886
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:57,199
because they're not going to break

1887
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,880
they're not they're not necessarily i

1888
01:20:01,270 --> 01:20:00,239
won't take some of these old reports

1889
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:01,280
with me

1890
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:02,800
but you can make your own and let me

1891
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:05,120
show you this jimmy so years ago when

1892
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:08,159
i've had this forever

1893
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:09,920
now listen i love trader joe's that's

1894
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:12,080
one of my stores i go to but what i like

1895
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:14,080
about trader joe's

1896
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:21,270
satanic sex

1897
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:22,750
i just went to museum of

1898
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:25,600
talkingboards.com and when you're there

1899
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:28,320
uh your mouse turns to a planchette

1900
01:20:32,629 --> 01:20:30,639
isn't that cool

1901
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:32,639
jane told in the early 90s and it's been

1902
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:34,560
around that long and he adds to it now

1903
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,560
this is fun you guys so when i would be

1904
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:38,400
at sleepovers as a kid and i think i

1905
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:40,000
made this one i don't know 12 or 15

1906
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:41,760
years ago i was at my house and i was

1907
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:44,239
teaching a class and i said okay you

1908
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:46,000
could do anything for a ouija board

1909
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,360
people go i don't know how to make one i

1910
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:49,679
go watch so i took a sack and just wrote

1911
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:51,840
the alphabet on there the numbers

1912
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:53,280
and then i said you can take something

1913
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:55,520
like this this is my true whip a vegan

1914
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:56,960
whipped cream because i'm a vegan and

1915
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,960
you put that on there and it just away

1916
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:00,880
it goes you know so i use this for

1917
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:03,520
training purposes because you don't need

1918
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:05,440
a traditional ouija board to do this

1919
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:08,080
work it can work anything can work you

1920
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:10,159
just got to make it and believe and

1921
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:13,040
trust your intentions with it yeah

1922
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:14,960
joel just said that's how they ouija

1923
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,800
imprisoned

1924
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:18,320
you know they probably [\h__\h] put chalk

1925
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:19,840
marks blood marks on the floor maybe i

1926
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:21,520
don't know listen i've seen the

1927
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:23,360
strangest things i have a glass ouija

1928
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:25,120
i've i've seen metal ouijas i've seen

1929
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:27,280
them all and you just name it here let

1930
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:28,719
me show you something else

1931
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:31,120
this board i love this this is called a

1932
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:32,800
pingy board

1933
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:35,120
it's actually watch this it's actually

1934
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,719
made for

1935
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:39,120
a pendulum okay

1936
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:42,400
but guess what it can double easily

1937
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:44,880
as a ouija board

1938
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:46,000
let's

1939
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:50,400
second for okay

1940
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:53,360
you just showed us uh some older ones in

1941
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,960
the media

1942
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:56,560
uh i want to see your favorite

1943
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:57,760
planchette

1944
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:00,400
okay so um all right it's gotta be this

1945
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:02,639
one so one of my friends is an artist

1946
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:04,960
and she made this round board back here

1947
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,920
i don't know if you can see it but it's

1948
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:07,440
actually a picture of a moon it's called

1949
01:22:11,110 --> 01:22:09,440
the luna board and she goes i have a

1950
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:11,120
surprise for you and she starts showing

1951
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:12,239
it to me she goes and i'm not going to

1952
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:13,440
show you what the planchette's going to

1953
01:22:16,550 --> 01:22:14,239
be

1954
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:16,560
but one year when she was making this

1955
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:17,440
board

1956
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:19,120
she had some reason where she lived it

1957
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,000
was in tennessee all of these luna moths

1958
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:24,400
just died it was like

1959
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:25,679
i don't know they just all showed up

1960
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:27,600
dead in her yard in her neighbor's yard

1961
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:29,679
so she felt badly about him and grabbed

1962
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:31,280
him and saved him

1963
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:32,719
and then she made the it's called the

1964
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:35,520
luna moth plant [\h__\h]

1965
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,520
there's actually a luna moth in resin in

1966
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:39,120
this wow

1967
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:41,199
this is beautiful goes on this board

1968
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:43,920
back here it works lovely and it points

1969
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:46,239
instead of um having a hole to see

1970
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:47,840
through it point

1971
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,520
and it works so lovely so i really like

1972
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:51,280
this because it's the ingenuity behind

1973
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:53,040
it it's very creative and she found

1974
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,400
something that she thought was it's dead

1975
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:55,679
but it's beautiful and wanted to

1976
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:58,080
preserve it and so she made only so many

1977
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:59,760
of these and it's like i love it i love

1978
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:00,560
it

1979
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:02,639
now what about you you brought up the

1980
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:05,440
weight earlier is is that too heavy or

1981
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:07,920
is that okay no that's okay now uh now

1982
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:10,000
listen you've seen rodney and i work we

1983
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:12,159
had no problem getting that heavy-duty

1984
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,320
planchet to work um i'm gonna show you

1985
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:16,560
some things we've done some shows where

1986
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:18,639
we use things like this to push around

1987
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:21,440
as a planchette i go use this corner

1988
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:24,080
we've used our mobile phone use this

1989
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:25,440
corner it'll move around that's pretty

1990
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,000
heavy right right one of my friends she

1991
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:30,000
creates her own boards her name is nancy

1992
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:31,600
bliss from the yukon

1993
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,400
she made a board that looks like a

1994
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:36,880
ouija blanchette right well this is her

1995
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:38,400
this is her look at this this is this is

1996
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:39,679
her planchette

1997
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:41,040
it goes over it

1998
01:23:45,990 --> 01:23:43,600
and this is a piece of gran um

1999
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:46,000
geode has a hole in the middle and that

2000
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:47,280
is her planchette and even though it's

2001
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:48,719
heavy it's not too heavy if you're

2002
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:51,199
pretty good at using this tool

2003
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:52,960
so a lot of things can work in fact when

2004
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:56,000
i teach i often bring with me the old

2005
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:57,920
cds you guys i have a bunch of little

2006
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:01,040
ones i used to put my um resume or my

2007
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:02,960
business on it and i would use it to you

2008
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,560
know instead of just giving somebody a

2009
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:06,480
you know hardcopy resume i was cool put

2010
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,480
this cd in there and you can you know

2011
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:10,800
read about my company but so i have

2012
01:24:13,990 --> 01:24:12,800
those left over and they have a perfect

2013
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:14,000
hole in the middle they're little and

2014
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:16,480
they work fantastically

2015
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:18,960
as a planchette now my good friend rick

2016
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:20,800
schreck who's the vp of the talking

2017
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:22,639
board historical society

2018
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:25,199
makes a really cool board it's up high i

2019
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:27,520
can't grab it right now but he takes

2020
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:30,639
embalming rails from a bombing rails for

2021
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:33,920
mall bombing tables gleason board

2022
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:36,800
company and made this coffin planchette

2023
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:38,159
and there's even

2024
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:40,480
the bombing company on it here's another

2025
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:42,800
one he made

2026
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:47,110
what's this out of an embalming table

2027
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:50,400
rail bombing table bombing table rail

2028
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:53,199
both of these from a funeral home

2029
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:55,280
correct he ended up with these two a

2030
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:56,480
bunch of these and he started making

2031
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:58,239
these and he said who who wants to buy

2032
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:59,600
them

2033
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:01,600
i do because i love the energy

2034
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:03,679
deceased people

2035
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:07,280
rested on that wood correct

2036
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:12,229
trying to find the spookiness in it

2037
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:14,080
where when i can use any board and i

2038
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:15,440
don't get the spookiness because you see

2039
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:17,679
me work it's all about intentions but

2040
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:19,199
some people some people want it to be

2041
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:21,040
spooky for them and for me it's not you

2042
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:22,560
know me it's it's not spooky it's all

2043
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:25,199
like you know and uh you know profound

2044
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:31,910
you're not worried about something uh

2045
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,040
residual coming along with that i'm not

2046
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:37,520
not at all not at all and you know why

2047
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:38,960
jimmy we've talked about this before you

2048
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:40,000
and i've done the board with your

2049
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:42,239
daughter even right i sat down with your

2050
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:44,639
friends you have yeah and the deal is

2051
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:47,040
this it's really our intention so i

2052
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:48,800
gotta tell you the story everybody i was

2053
01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:51,600
watching some show today on a gentleman

2054
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:53,840
um who's talking about automatic writing

2055
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:55,040
and i'm thinking okay this guy's pretty

2056
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,719
good pretty good and he said and so

2057
01:26:00,550 --> 01:25:58,639
automatic writing you guys you will take

2058
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:00,560
like i'm gonna talk about that a second

2059
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:02,800
this is an automatic writer but but you

2060
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:05,360
could take a pen and your hand and or

2061
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:08,159
pencil and paper and you let the spirits

2062
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:09,040
move

2063
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:11,280
and make it work okay my mom used to do

2064
01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:12,880
that when i was a kid you and i

2065
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:14,080
discussed that so what's the difference

2066
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:16,159
with this this is my pin

2067
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:18,639
this is my paper and this is how it

2068
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,639
writes okay there's no difference so

2069
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:22,800
this guy's like automatic ryden it's all

2070
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:25,440
safe it's all good ouija boards ah i'm

2071
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:26,880
like what

2072
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:29,120
it's the same cons concept we're

2073
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:32,080
channeling it's just what what modality

2074
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:33,679
do you use to channel do you use your

2075
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:34,560
voice

2076
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:37,120
do you use a pendulum do you use do

2077
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:39,679
troll cards do you do oracle cards do

2078
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,080
you do the itching the ruins what do you

2079
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:44,159
do or do you use a board maybe or just

2080
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:47,760
your mind so it's all the same concept

2081
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:49,280
it's really your own intentions and what

2082
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:50,719
you believe about it

2083
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:52,239
that's going to affect what you're going

2084
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:54,000
to get

2085
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:54,719
the

2086
01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:55,600
uh

2087
01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:00,719
modern boards

2088
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:03,199
um the the plastic version the one that

2089
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:04,560
i'm used to

2090
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:08,480
um right right right and and how good is

2091
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:10,560
that because it's lighter right is it

2092
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:12,800
easier for the novice to uh get that

2093
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:13,679
going

2094
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:15,280
i would suggest you start with that i

2095
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:16,480
would suggest this is a great board

2096
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:18,800
winning moves have real makes a good one

2097
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:20,480
too that when i showed you the old one

2098
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:22,080
the the glow in the dark board they all

2099
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:24,000
come with plant shots like this these

2100
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:25,679
are light they have a little felt on the

2101
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:28,000
bottom see that the felt and the boots

2102
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,679
are so light and this thing's not going

2103
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:31,679
to fall out in the olden days

2104
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:33,199
these are these are real metals so i

2105
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:34,800
keep a little thing on it so they don't

2106
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:37,040
fall out but these are real brass tabs

2107
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:38,400
kids could have swallowed them eating

2108
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:39,840
them and that's mine came with one of

2109
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:43,199
those but these are so nice and light or

2110
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:46,000
like i said get us get a cd turn it over

2111
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:47,360
and you have a whole instant hole in the

2112
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:49,679
middle um to use now let me show you a

2113
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,960
different board

2114
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:52,480
you asked me about boards with different

2115
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:55,120
kinds of letters and stuff on it

2116
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:57,040
i'm going to show you a board here let's

2117
01:27:59,590 --> 01:27:58,159
see the gentleman's name it was just

2118
01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:59,600
given to me i just got it i haven't even

2119
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:01,679
used it yet um

2120
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:03,920
he doesn't he creates his own boards his

2121
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:06,239
name is tim cheese bro of singing

2122
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:10,080
owlcrafts and he made this ruinik board

2123
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:12,880
there's ruins on it oh that is awesome

2124
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,800
is that bad or what now he just gave

2125
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:16,960
this came with it it's a little crystal

2126
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:18,960
thing and i can put my finger on that

2127
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:21,040
and use that now i have not used this

2128
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:22,400
board yet i'm waiting to use it with

2129
01:28:28,149 --> 01:28:25,760
rodney i just got it right right how is

2130
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:28,159
rodney hey rodney's great says hello to

2131
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:30,320
everybody he's doing wonderful we are in

2132
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:31,840
two different states now when we do get

2133
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:32,960
together

2134
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:34,719
uh a few months ago we did use the ouija

2135
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,920
and it's usually it's more personal

2136
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:37,920
stuff but yeah we still do ouija now you

2137
01:28:41,189 --> 01:28:39,520
guys want to show you

2138
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:41,199
i have some canadian boards remember i

2139
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:42,960
told you canada

2140
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:44,400
i was making them right about a year

2141
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:45,760
after we were making them because they

2142
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:48,400
got the patent trademark uh rights to do

2143
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:50,480
that so here's the canadian ones these

2144
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:53,360
are more modern 80 90s um you can see we

2145
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,480
on there and none and

2146
01:29:00,390 --> 01:28:58,320
you guys i don't speak french sorry they

2147
01:29:01,910 --> 01:29:00,400
have spanish boards they don't say ola

2148
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:01,920
adios and things like that so you can

2149
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:03,440
get them in like different slightly

2150
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:04,960
different languages but you know our

2151
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:06,400
alphabet's the same so that's going to

2152
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:07,679
look the same

2153
01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:09,440
i can't wait uh we're going to take a

2154
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:12,480
break right here um i can't wait to uh

2155
01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:15,440
hang out with you again and and we ouija

2156
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:16,639
in person

2157
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:18,639
when i was a kid

2158
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:19,760
um

2159
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:20,639
and i

2160
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:23,120
it seemed like girls were into ouija

2161
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:26,080
more than boys but this is if you know

2162
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:28,560
that's just the way it is but i remember

2163
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:30,719
i was over um

2164
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:32,560
in another apartment in our apartment

2165
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:34,000
building a couple of

2166
01:29:36,830 --> 01:29:34,880
a

2167
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:36,840
couple of young girls i

2168
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:40,080
was six seven eight they break out the

2169
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:42,080
the ouija board and they're talking

2170
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:43,440
about it and they put the plant shut

2171
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:44,320
down

2172
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:47,520
and they put their hands on and

2173
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:48,960
it started moving

2174
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:51,280
and they screamed they freaked out

2175
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:52,639
because

2176
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:55,600
they weren't moving it and i i saw the

2177
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:58,239
fight you know the argument uh you know

2178
01:30:01,350 --> 01:30:00,159
you were pushing it no i wasn't you were

2179
01:30:04,709 --> 01:30:01,360
pushing it

2180
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:04,719
it it it definitely moved and and i

2181
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:08,880
watched this i didn't really understand

2182
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:10,800
what i was seeing

2183
01:30:17,430 --> 01:30:14,080
but you do have the ability to do this

2184
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:17,440
at any age it is inside of us right it's

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thank you for saying that i really

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01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:20,960
almost wanted to start with that waiver

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01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:23,280
disclaimer because it is i mentioned

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01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:24,960
about the guy used to talking about

2189
01:30:28,629 --> 01:30:26,639
automatic writing it comes from within

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01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:28,639
us is it idiom odor i don't believe so

2191
01:30:33,830 --> 01:30:31,280
it's us tapping into universal

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01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:33,840
consciousness us tapping into all that

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01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:36,960
is energy us tapping into source our

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01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:39,600
guides our loved ones and thus it comes

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01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:42,239
through us now it's an unconscious thing

2196
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:43,920
and not saying we're we're pushing it at

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01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:45,760
all i'm saying it takes over it's not

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01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:47,600
like the spirit goes in me but the

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energy

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our prayer we use our breathing exercise

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our intentions and just the seriousness

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nature we do this this tools you've seen

2203
01:31:04,229 --> 01:31:02,560
me do with rodney um and then then we

2204
01:31:06,390 --> 01:31:04,239
help then we hook into the energy and

2205
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:06,400
then the messages start pouring through

2206
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:08,800
no different than a channeler because we

2207
01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:11,520
are channeling and my tool my theatrics

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01:31:16,229 --> 01:31:13,920
as clyde lewis likes to call it is the

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board that's my theatrics although you

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take the board away we can still do the

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same work i do as a psychic reader i do

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it as channeling i could do automatic

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writing i do it so many different ways

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but my one and all-time favorite that

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i've been doing for 49 years jimmy 49

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years is the ouija board let's take our

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break right here i guess tonight the one

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and only karen a dollman

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this is

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a ouija 101 history class

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and yes there will be a pop quiz i'm

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here with jimmy church

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we'll be right back more with karen

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right after this short break stay with

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[Music]

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01:36:22,639 --> 01:36:25,910
my

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01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:27,669
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:29,520
jimmy church

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on the game changer and annex networks

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race hobbs

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tonight karen a dolmen is with us very

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special show tonight

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01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:41,679
we're doing the history of ouija 101 a

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01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:44,320
master class uh with karen

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01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:47,360
and uh by the way uh uh karen i'm just

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01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:48,639
gonna say this

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01:36:52,629 --> 01:36:49,840
um

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01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:52,639
you look striking tonight

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01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:54,320
oh thank you

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01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:57,520
there it's the the thing it's the it's

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01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:00,880
the show it's the vibe it's glowing

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01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:02,960
uh you always glow

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01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:04,159
listen when you talk about something

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01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:06,320
you're passionate about everybody glows

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01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:07,920
let's just say that

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01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:09,920
so um uh

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i don't want to disclose too much here

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01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:14,000
um oh by the way

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01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:16,560
did you know that guitar picks were

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01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:19,040
shaped like planchettes i'm just saying

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01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:20,960
absolutely and they're shaped like an

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01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:22,400
alien head i have one looks like an

2328
01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:25,119
alien i do i have alien head uh guitar

2329
01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:26,800
picks too as well but there's more than

2330
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:28,719
this original shape and i can talk to

2331
01:37:32,310 --> 01:37:30,719
you about that so i want to show you so

2332
01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:32,320
you asked me about egyptian board i

2333
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:33,840
forgot i do have an egyptian board you

2334
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:35,360
guys got so many boards

2335
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:36,880
okay so i got to show you this egyptian

2336
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:38,080
board then i'm going to talk about the

2337
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:40,000
shape of this because it's interesting

2338
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:41,280
how that happened

2339
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:42,880
somebody made me and it's a group called

2340
01:37:47,830 --> 01:37:45,920
carbon lilies and they're on twitter and

2341
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:47,840
they made me this is called the egyptian

2342
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:50,159
portal talking board

2343
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:52,800
handmade homemade with a with the ankh

2344
01:37:58,629 --> 01:37:55,360
is on this and this is the plastic is

2345
01:37:59,430 --> 01:37:58,639
this cool so this is a new one

2346
01:38:01,669 --> 01:37:59,440
yeah

2347
01:38:04,390 --> 01:38:01,679
i want i want one of those isn't this

2348
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:04,400
amazing you guys i've been so fortunate

2349
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:06,159
because the work i do that people reach

2350
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:07,280
out to me and i have so many boards

2351
01:38:11,109 --> 01:38:09,600
people made for me over the years

2352
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:11,119
fantastic it's just awesome i gotta put

2353
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:13,199
it way up there but so let me talk to

2354
01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:14,800
you about this planchette and how this

2355
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:16,960
came to be all right this is this is one

2356
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:20,159
from this is a canadian planchette um

2357
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:21,600
here's one that came from like this

2358
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:24,320
would be on a normal uh talking board

2359
01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:25,679
spirit board

2360
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:27,199
here's one from the salem witch board

2361
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:29,679
museum which my my colleague he's the

2362
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:30,560
treasurer of the talking board

2363
01:38:35,109 --> 01:38:32,960
historical society owns if you're in

2364
01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:35,119
salem you must go see the salem which

2365
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,600
board museum i did a show on my youtube

2366
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:39,360
channel if you want to see it but go in

2367
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:41,360
there he's got the most incredible

2368
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:43,440
collection it's the only museum of

2369
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:45,040
talking boards in the world and it's

2370
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:47,360
done very well this one's always going

2371
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:49,199
to stop right there for a second so

2372
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:51,920
those don't have holes

2373
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:54,320
and so he brought this kind of retro the

2374
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:56,159
original ones if you look at didn't have

2375
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:59,440
holes either so what is it the point is

2376
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:00,880
it the two point

2377
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:03,280
right okay gotcha yeah that's why you

2378
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:04,960
like even i was saying about this little

2379
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:05,760
guy

2380
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:08,800
it's he i use i use this as a pointer so

2381
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:10,480
i tell the guides when i work with them

2382
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:11,600
whoever's coming through use this

2383
01:39:14,229 --> 01:39:13,040
deployment and i'll go around the board

2384
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:14,239
and just

2385
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:17,280
so let's talk about this shape okay so

2386
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:19,440
how this started it was in almost what

2387
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:22,239
year was that uh 180

2388
01:39:28,149 --> 01:39:25,280
was it 58 1858 what happened was in

2389
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:28,159
france spiritism had really kicked off

2390
01:39:31,189 --> 01:39:29,600
now they weren't using a ouija board but

2391
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:31,199
they were doing table tipping they were

2392
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:33,600
doing wrappings they were doing seances

2393
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:36,480
uh ectoplasm cabinets a lot of the stuff

2394
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:38,320
we were doing in the united states but

2395
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:40,480
they were doing something different

2396
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:42,159
and what that was that they were doing

2397
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:44,880
it was called automatic writing they had

2398
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:46,960
this little like a basket and they put a

2399
01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:49,440
pencil in it which evolved to something

2400
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:51,520
that looks like this or this these are

2401
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:52,880
modern day

2402
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:55,280
my friend brandon calling the ones from

2403
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:58,480
that era they're old um he and he's been

2404
01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:59,440
on my show too if you want to see what

2405
01:40:03,910 --> 01:40:02,000
these look like so imagine it kind of

2406
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:03,920
started with this kind of shape this is

2407
01:40:08,709 --> 01:40:06,560
the old ones that they made back in 1858

2408
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:08,719
so it's called a planchette planchette

2409
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:11,520
stands for little plank

2410
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,119
in french planchette blanchette so what

2411
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:17,760
happened was some spiritualist people

2412
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:20,800
went to france and sat in on these uh

2413
01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:22,639
automatic writing sessions where these

2414
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:24,639
young girls were riding just like this

2415
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:26,480
with with basket or with the planchette

2416
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:28,000
and we're doing this and they get

2417
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:29,520
messages they can be blindfolded it

2418
01:40:35,350 --> 01:40:32,880
didn't matter the messages come through

2419
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:35,360
guys again no different than taking a

2420
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:36,880
planchette

2421
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:39,199
to a talking board same thing you just

2422
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:41,280
want to write it out

2423
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:43,040
same concept so these gentlemen brought

2424
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:45,280
it back to the united states 1858 and

2425
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:47,360
this came to the to the states before

2426
01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:49,199
they were even doing

2427
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:50,880
uh the talking boards that we talked

2428
01:40:54,550 --> 01:40:52,960
about happened in the mid 1880s they

2429
01:40:56,950 --> 01:40:54,560
were doing these and people were

2430
01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:56,960
automatic riding now if anybody's done

2431
01:41:00,550 --> 01:40:59,119
automatic riding with the rider these

2432
01:41:02,470 --> 01:41:00,560
have little ball bearings the old ones

2433
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:02,480
had little caster wheels and you put a

2434
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:04,400
pencil through the aperture and it

2435
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:06,719
balances like that you will find and

2436
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:08,239
i've been in sessions with people who

2437
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:09,360
use these

2438
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:11,040
i i'm not as good with these so i just

2439
01:41:15,669 --> 01:41:13,360
use a pencil but it'll you'll find that

2440
01:41:17,910 --> 01:41:15,679
it's illegible a lot of times it writes

2441
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:17,920
over itself it can't just pick up like

2442
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:19,920
you do a pen when you write so you get

2443
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:22,400
it's it's kind of hard to read sometimes

2444
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:24,320
so what they decided to do the people

2445
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:26,320
that were making the um boards as we

2446
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:28,000
talked about earlier

2447
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:29,679
um i get that get my board out again to

2448
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:31,520
show you so they were doing these boards

2449
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:32,800
like this

2450
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:33,920
they were using all kinds of

2451
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:35,600
contraptions to move around like a

2452
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:38,159
basket or pencils then they decided well

2453
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:40,480
let's pair this little rider planchette

2454
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:41,440
with it

2455
01:41:45,910 --> 01:41:44,239
but take the pins take this out

2456
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:45,920
and voila they created something like

2457
01:41:51,669 --> 01:41:47,119
this

2458
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:51,679
is what i call the marriage of spiritism

2459
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:54,159
that's going on in france with the

2460
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:55,679
marriage of spiritualism in the united

2461
01:41:59,350 --> 01:41:57,199
states and the ouija board is the

2462
01:42:02,149 --> 01:41:59,360
perfect tool that really brought those

2463
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:02,159
two together to do the writing the the

2464
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:04,080
channeling it's kind of a fascinating

2465
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:06,960
story what's it like um

2466
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:08,159
i know that

2467
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:10,639
you just mentioned that you moved um uh

2468
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:12,960
to another to another state

2469
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:14,880
a nice house

2470
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:17,280
i've taken the tour of that i've taken a

2471
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:19,600
tour in jimmy's house too

2472
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:21,520
yes that's right we did it together we

2473
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,560
did

2474
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:24,480
but you have uh

2475
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:27,840
it it's it's not a small home but what's

2476
01:42:33,270 --> 01:42:30,960
cool about a home like yours

2477
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:33,280
is you cannot put all of this stuff on

2478
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:35,520
display

2479
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:37,840
when you when you step back and and look

2480
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:41,360
at it which is is very cool

2481
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:44,000
does it impress you to see how things

2482
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:46,800
have evolved uh over the years and you

2483
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:48,880
can see it you know it's one thing

2484
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:50,239
because you've always got it stored

2485
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:51,520
you've got to put it away you've got it

2486
01:42:56,229 --> 01:42:53,280
on shelves but when you're able to

2487
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:56,239
display it you get to see how things

2488
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:59,040
have gone through transitions right well

2489
01:43:02,070 --> 01:43:00,400
it's like looking at artwork it's a

2490
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:02,080
feast for the eyes as i was telling you

2491
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:03,679
earlier so you guys you're seeing a

2492
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:05,199
smidgen you're seeing just a few boards

2493
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:07,679
i have a wall that goes six feet this

2494
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:09,520
way and it has three shelves like you

2495
01:43:11,830 --> 01:43:10,639
see behind you you're only seeing the

2496
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:11,840
bottom shelf

2497
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:13,679
and then i have a wall that goes 11 feet

2498
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:15,440
this way and i i truncated because i had

2499
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:16,880
a lot of bookshelves too with boards and

2500
01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:18,400
all over the place in here and then

2501
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:20,000
that's three shelves too so i could fit

2502
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:23,520
on these two walls about 33 34 boards

2503
01:43:27,590 --> 01:43:26,000
and what's nice about it i i look i i

2504
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:27,600
walk in and i designed it and had a guy

2505
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:29,280
build it for me i walk and look at it

2506
01:43:32,709 --> 01:43:31,440
and go oh my god i mean just the face

2507
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:32,719
for the eyes it's like going into a

2508
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:34,960
museum and seeing artwork you love i

2509
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:37,119
love boards so much not because i like

2510
01:43:40,870 --> 01:43:39,440
to use them but because of the artwork

2511
01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:40,880
and again we were talking about how they

2512
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:42,719
changed over the years the different

2513
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:44,400
groups that created them the homemade

2514
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:47,760
ones um it just the evolution of them

2515
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:50,000
and how they reflect again pop culture

2516
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:52,000
and what's going on during the time so

2517
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:54,480
when i walk in it's a museum and i walk

2518
01:43:58,149 --> 01:43:56,320
in and i go oh wow i love that and then

2519
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:58,159
i might move them around and then i go

2520
01:44:01,910 --> 01:43:59,600
well i like that one over here and then

2521
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:01,920
i go but wait i got these 20 boards over

2522
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:03,920
here i haven't looked at in a while pull

2523
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:05,520
them out or and then i'll move them

2524
01:44:08,870 --> 01:44:07,360
around so my this whole i'm in my office

2525
01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:08,880
my office you guys is

2526
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:10,719
ouija everything

2527
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:12,400
that's my question

2528
01:44:15,910 --> 01:44:13,679
what about

2529
01:44:18,709 --> 01:44:15,920
do boards know when they haven't been

2530
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:18,719
used do they feel neglected right do you

2531
01:44:23,350 --> 01:44:20,800
have to bring them down

2532
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:23,360
and and give them a little love look i

2533
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:24,239
have

2534
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:36,159
one in a while and i i pull it down

2535
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:42,390
you boards uh also

2536
01:44:47,590 --> 01:44:44,080
you know what i mean can you can you

2537
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:47,600
tell um and so you pull it down and say

2538
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:49,199
you know i haven't used you in a while

2539
01:44:52,229 --> 01:44:50,719
today's your day

2540
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:52,239
well i'm not under the camp that the

2541
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:54,400
board the boards to me are inanimate

2542
01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:55,840
they come up they come alive as a

2543
01:44:59,350 --> 01:44:57,280
channeling tool

2544
01:45:02,149 --> 01:44:59,360
when i use when it's my energy so it's

2545
01:45:03,910 --> 01:45:02,159
really me and it's really you saying oh

2546
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:03,920
god that guitar i love it i love it for

2547
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:05,280
these reasons and the wood and the

2548
01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:07,920
strings and you go the sound and i go i

2549
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:09,679
love it for the artwork and wow i

2550
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:10,800
haven't used that one in a while i'm

2551
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:12,400
looking at one over here that's really

2552
01:45:16,550 --> 01:45:14,800
cool it's called a star trek heating

2553
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:16,560
board somebody built for me and i just

2554
01:45:20,790 --> 01:45:18,000
put it up on the wall about two weeks

2555
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:20,800
ago and it's just it's gorgeous and i'm

2556
01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:23,440
like looking at going yeah i need to

2557
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:24,960
give it some love but it's not because i

2558
01:45:29,109 --> 01:45:27,199
think it's alive it's because i love the

2559
01:45:31,510 --> 01:45:29,119
artwork and i go the energy this woman

2560
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:31,520
put into it to make it for me um and

2561
01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:33,520
then i it's just it used to sit out on

2562
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:34,800
my um

2563
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:36,800
oh my coffee table i i have boards along

2564
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:38,239
my house you guys it was out on my

2565
01:45:42,070 --> 01:45:40,320
coffee table and it was just like a

2566
01:45:43,830 --> 01:45:42,080
wonderful talking piece and it was just

2567
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:43,840
so much love that she put into it to

2568
01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:45,280
build it for me because she really

2569
01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:46,639
appreciated everything i talked to her

2570
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:48,080
about the taught her about the board

2571
01:45:51,350 --> 01:45:49,440
that was like her way to give back and

2572
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:51,360
so i feel the thanks it's more like a

2573
01:45:55,109 --> 01:45:53,360
memory and a lot of these boards i have

2574
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:55,119
i mean i bought them over the years but

2575
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:57,280
some came to me as gifts as i mentioned

2576
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:59,040
and even some of the regular ouija

2577
01:46:02,149 --> 01:46:00,320
boards came as gifts somebody will buy

2578
01:46:04,229 --> 01:46:02,159
it for me and one of the things we do is

2579
01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:04,239
collectors we may get one or two of the

2580
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:05,920
same board and we may just give it or

2581
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:08,080
get it sent to us sometimes and we'll

2582
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:09,280
share them with our collectors and give

2583
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:10,960
them to them too there's a lot of that

2584
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:13,840
going on um

2585
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:16,000
i appreciate that

2586
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:16,880
but

2587
01:46:27,350 --> 01:46:24,719
have you had a board

2588
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:27,360
that you got bad vibes from

2589
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:30,480
i've never met a board i didn't like

2590
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:31,679
because even the boards that are that

2591
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:33,360
are kind of maybe trying to be creepy

2592
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:35,920
looking i can take any board piece

2593
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:37,119
against me

2594
01:46:39,990 --> 01:46:38,159
it doesn't matter what the board looks

2595
01:46:41,430 --> 01:46:40,000
like doesn't matter how rickety is or if

2596
01:46:43,350 --> 01:46:41,440
it's you know this one's a little

2597
01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:43,360
trashed out i've won this horse up there

2598
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:45,520
or if it's spooky looking or somebody

2599
01:46:49,189 --> 01:46:47,040
makes it it makes it look like skulls

2600
01:46:51,430 --> 01:46:49,199
and all this scary stuff on there it's

2601
01:46:52,870 --> 01:46:51,440
me it's like a tool so i have to tell

2602
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:52,880
you i've never met a board i didn't like

2603
01:46:56,709 --> 01:46:54,480
i've always appreciate

2604
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:56,719
the artwork or the story behind it why

2605
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:58,400
they made it that way

2606
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:59,760
after the break i'll show you a couple

2607
01:47:03,669 --> 01:47:00,880
of those kind of boards i'm talking

2608
01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:03,679
about and i would tell you they work the

2609
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:04,639
same

2610
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:07,679
as all of my boards because it's me

2611
01:47:11,189 --> 01:47:09,600
again that's doing the work

2612
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:11,199
now okay so

2613
01:47:14,470 --> 01:47:13,199
uh we're talking about the history of

2614
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:14,480
ouija

2615
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:15,600
and

2616
01:47:20,229 --> 01:47:19,199
things were pretty smooth sailing uh

2617
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:20,239
until

2618
01:47:23,910 --> 01:47:22,480
in my opinion because i was around for

2619
01:47:25,350 --> 01:47:23,920
this all right

2620
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:25,360
the exorcist

2621
01:47:31,590 --> 01:47:29,280
and

2622
01:47:32,709 --> 01:47:31,600
suddenly because it was part of the

2623
01:47:33,750 --> 01:47:32,719
movie

2624
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:33,760
um

2625
01:47:39,189 --> 01:47:38,320
that it was in the book and it uh

2626
01:48:04,310 --> 01:47:39,199
the

2627
01:48:07,669 --> 01:48:04,320
this was a bad two this was bad this was

2628
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:07,679
this was the devil and the devil speaks

2629
01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:08,960
through this

2630
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:10,239
um

2631
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:13,679
that is part of the history of the ouija

2632
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:17,040
um and how did the ouija community

2633
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:20,400
uh deal with this and it was it was like

2634
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:24,080
it was it was a big deal in the media

2635
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:27,920
yeah okay so um that's kind of true and

2636
01:48:31,830 --> 01:48:29,840
but i have to say as part of the talking

2637
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:31,840
about historical society we have dug up

2638
01:48:35,270 --> 01:48:34,000
old articles where there's always we

2639
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:35,280
talked about this earlier in the show

2640
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:37,199
jimmy how even when they first came out

2641
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:39,199
there's always those groups that'll say

2642
01:48:42,629 --> 01:48:41,360
you cannot talk to spirits they'll call

2643
01:48:44,629 --> 01:48:42,639
them false spirits or you're not allowed

2644
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:44,639
to do this work and that doesn't matter

2645
01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:46,000
if you're again if you're doing like

2646
01:48:51,430 --> 01:48:48,960
crystal balls or scrying or um doing

2647
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:51,440
channeling or mediumship that was always

2648
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:53,760
looked down upon by different groups

2649
01:48:57,669 --> 01:48:55,679
typically religious zealot groups are

2650
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:57,679
groups of that nature and so there's

2651
01:49:02,950 --> 01:49:00,480
always been that now i will say in tv

2652
01:49:04,790 --> 01:49:02,960
television or or hollywood there's a

2653
01:49:06,550 --> 01:49:04,800
movie called the 13 ghost which is

2654
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:06,560
really kind of cute the family has a

2655
01:49:10,149 --> 01:49:07,920
ouija board and things happen in the

2656
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:10,159
house it was more fun

2657
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:12,000
lucille ball used it you'll see it in a

2658
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:14,400
lot of shows because it was again part

2659
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:16,480
of the pop part of the pop culture and

2660
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:18,400
by the time um

2661
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:19,920
parker brothers bought it from william

2662
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:21,920
full that was 1966

2663
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:25,040
the first year of production in 1967 it

2664
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:27,520
outsold the greatest selling game which

2665
01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:30,320
was monopoly at the time so it became a

2666
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:32,080
popular thing there we go in the 60s

2667
01:49:37,270 --> 01:49:33,920
right so you're right so here comes the

2668
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:37,280
book in 1971 the exorcist hits the big

2669
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:38,719
screen here you go you'll love this

2670
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:43,679
story jimmy and this on december 26 1973

2671
01:49:48,149 --> 01:49:45,840
i got my board this one right here

2672
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:48,159
december 25th

2673
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:50,560
1973 one day before the exorcist came

2674
01:49:55,510 --> 01:49:53,440
out so that did shift it somewhat

2675
01:49:56,790 --> 01:49:55,520
because now it's in front of everybody

2676
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:56,800
at the movies now you gotta remember

2677
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:58,639
back in that era you guys

2678
01:50:01,669 --> 01:50:00,159
we didn't have the social media you

2679
01:50:03,030 --> 01:50:01,679
didn't have books about the ouija board

2680
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:03,040
they were far and few in between there

2681
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:04,080
were some

2682
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:05,920
but there was one called by stoker hunt

2683
01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:07,920
the most dangerous game there's voices

2684
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,199
there's voices from the void there's uh

2685
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:13,440
gina covina there's stuff jane roberts

2686
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:15,280
was using it we go way back james

2687
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:16,560
merrill was using it people were using

2688
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:18,320
the board but they were using it more in

2689
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:20,320
a lightning way so you didn't actually

2690
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:21,760
hear about that unless you knew to go

2691
01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:24,560
find these books no social media wasn't

2692
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:26,960
on television so the ouija community was

2693
01:50:30,709 --> 01:50:28,480
really in a vacuum

2694
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:30,719
we were all in our vacuums and so people

2695
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:32,239
started collecting in the 80s and 90s

2696
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:33,440
and that's when people started meeting

2697
01:50:37,830 --> 01:50:35,360
each other now i was in a vacuum with

2698
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:37,840
the ouija because i was a practicing

2699
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:40,239
psychotherapist i have my master screen

2700
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:42,000
my i have so many licenses out of the

2701
01:50:46,149 --> 01:50:44,080
yin yang i have so many licenses and i

2702
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:46,159
couldn't be advertising that i do this

2703
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:49,119
work um or mixing it with what i did you

2704
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:50,800
you had to be a purist i would have been

2705
01:50:54,470 --> 01:50:52,800
considered a quack um

2706
01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:54,480
etcetera so i was in a vacuum most of us

2707
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:56,639
doing the board were in vacuums in fact

2708
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:58,960
when i came out in 2012 jimmy and i met

2709
01:51:03,589 --> 01:51:00,960
you shortly after that when i came out

2710
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:03,599
um people people wrote to me and said oh

2711
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:05,679
my god i've been using the board too for

2712
01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:08,400
20 years or 25 years or 10 years or 15

2713
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:09,679
and they're they're closer to my age and

2714
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:10,719
they're like i've been using the board

2715
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:12,560
it's a serious thing i had great things

2716
01:51:15,510 --> 01:51:14,320
and thank you for saying this that's

2717
01:51:17,589 --> 01:51:15,520
what happened and it encouraged me to

2718
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:17,599
write my book the spirits of ouija

2719
01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:18,560
because

2720
01:51:21,669 --> 01:51:20,320
um there was no book out there that was

2721
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:21,679
really talked about ouija board and how

2722
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:23,760
to use it positively so that that's

2723
01:51:25,910 --> 01:51:24,960
where that's where it changed for me but

2724
01:51:28,229 --> 01:51:25,920
yes

2725
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:28,239
in hollywood they took something that

2726
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:31,040
was in everybody's attics in their

2727
01:51:35,270 --> 01:51:33,840
parlors of yesteryear in their basements

2728
01:51:37,030 --> 01:51:35,280
their grandmother's mother's sister

2729
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:37,040
brother somebody had it in their house

2730
01:51:40,790 --> 01:51:38,560
your mom had them jimmy i remember we

2731
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:40,800
talked about your mom before yeah your

2732
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:42,960
aunt should we do it together and smoke

2733
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:44,080
coffee cigarettes and all that stuff

2734
01:51:48,390 --> 01:51:45,280
right

2735
01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:49,589
every night

2736
01:51:53,030 --> 01:51:51,760
which is so great so that's what was

2737
01:51:54,390 --> 01:51:53,040
happening you guys and says it was such

2738
01:51:56,709 --> 01:51:54,400
a common

2739
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:56,719
tool device and it was market it's

2740
01:52:00,149 --> 01:51:58,480
always been marketed as a toy that's

2741
01:52:02,550 --> 01:52:00,159
part of the ignomatic part of it that's

2742
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:02,560
part of the mysterious nature of it so

2743
01:52:05,589 --> 01:52:03,760
you know they're using this thing and

2744
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:05,599
then hollywood goes

2745
01:52:10,229 --> 01:52:08,080
wow this is great and it was only for

2746
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:10,239
like 20 30 seconds in the movie of the

2747
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:11,440
ouija board but then all sudden that

2748
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:13,119
became this whole thing that became

2749
01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:15,280
captain how he becomes panzu zoo and it

2750
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:17,679
becomes this terrible demon

2751
01:52:21,990 --> 01:52:20,080
and it wasn't really until the 1980s

2752
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:22,000
when kevin tenney the producer made the

2753
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:24,239
movie a witch board you guys remember

2754
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:26,000
that from the 80s when which board came

2755
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:29,199
out it was the very first time the ouija

2756
01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:31,840
board actually was a main character and

2757
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:33,199
it came alive

2758
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:34,960
and then kevin tenney

2759
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:37,119
created a thing called uh progressive

2760
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:38,960
entrapment if you use the board too much

2761
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:41,040
you become obsessed and then possessed

2762
01:52:43,669 --> 01:52:42,320
and then it takes over your life and

2763
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:43,679
then you go cuckoo and crazy and kill

2764
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:45,679
people and do weird things and that is

2765
01:52:49,750 --> 01:52:47,599
where this story

2766
01:52:51,109 --> 01:52:49,760
moving into the 2000s and you start

2767
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:51,119
getting all these stories about the

2768
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:53,440
ouija board that become like mythology

2769
01:52:56,550 --> 01:52:55,599
based around it um

2770
01:52:58,229 --> 01:52:56,560
anytime you have something that's

2771
01:52:59,830 --> 01:52:58,239
mysterious and you can't explain it

2772
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:59,840
quite how it works

2773
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:01,440
and that's how the ouija boards why it's

2774
01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:03,679
always been sold and appeals to people

2775
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:06,000
number one we we don't know really about

2776
01:53:09,589 --> 01:53:08,080
death i mean we hear about ndes and

2777
01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:09,599
people communicating with me and

2778
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:10,880
mediumship but until you've been there

2779
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:12,719
you don't really know so we don't we

2780
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:14,320
want to know about death but we're also

2781
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:16,560
scared of it a little bit it brings up a

2782
01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:19,040
mortality and this is a weight that kind

2783
01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:21,119
of touches into it although i don't use

2784
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:22,159
it for death at all i use it for

2785
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:23,840
different things but that's how it was

2786
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:26,560
sold um and then getting these answers

2787
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:28,800
on this ignomatic device

2788
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:31,199
and so that really appeals to the human

2789
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:33,360
psyche and so when hollywood starts

2790
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:34,560
using that in their movies and then

2791
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:36,400
doing all these movies you see coming

2792
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:38,239
out all these weekend movies and stuff

2793
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:40,239
they play up to it and people are like

2794
01:53:45,990 --> 01:53:43,199
oh yeah we had one oh one time when i

2795
01:53:48,070 --> 01:53:46,000
was 15 had a sleepover or as a party in

2796
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:48,080
college everybody will tell you their

2797
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:49,360
story because

2798
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:50,320
them

2799
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:51,119
they

2800
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:53,679
or a sister or brother or a friend had

2801
01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:55,599
an experience and then the story grows

2802
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:56,639
from there

2803
01:54:01,189 --> 01:54:00,000
yeah it does and uh everybody saw the

2804
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:01,199
exorcist

2805
01:54:06,149 --> 01:54:04,320
everybody read the book it was uh it was

2806
01:54:08,629 --> 01:54:06,159
the biggest movie of the year william

2807
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:08,639
peter blatty and and everything that was

2808
01:54:13,030 --> 01:54:11,199
involved with it but uh

2809
01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:13,040
the catholic church

2810
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:15,440
uh you know and exorcism and and

2811
01:54:19,109 --> 01:54:16,719
possession

2812
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:19,119
took over the country i can't tell you

2813
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:21,199
how many times as a kid you and i are

2814
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:24,960
the same age so 1972 73 74 you pick up

2815
01:54:30,229 --> 01:54:27,599
the paper there was somebody that was

2816
01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:32,070
it was it was everywhere the catholic

2817
01:54:35,990 --> 01:54:33,760
church gets involved

2818
01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:36,000
and they write it up and they make it

2819
01:54:38,470 --> 01:54:37,440
like law

2820
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:38,480
and

2821
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:44,880
religions uh ended up following suit now

2822
01:54:48,790 --> 01:54:47,119
if the board isn't real

2823
01:54:51,750 --> 01:54:48,800
right i'm talking about the scientific

2824
01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:51,760
this the skeptics it's it's it's it's

2825
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:54,400
motor driven it's muscle it's it's this

2826
01:54:59,669 --> 01:54:57,679
is a subconscious is is playing this out

2827
01:55:01,910 --> 01:54:59,679
so if that's the case but then the

2828
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:01,920
catholic church comes along

2829
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:04,400
and and says that it is real

2830
01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:06,960
it's it's divination and you are

2831
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:10,239
reaching into the spirit realm with this

2832
01:55:16,390 --> 01:55:12,880
and and possibly demons and everything

2833
01:55:18,310 --> 01:55:16,400
else no you cannot if you are a catholic

2834
01:55:20,629 --> 01:55:18,320
you cannot have a ouija board in your

2835
01:55:23,430 --> 01:55:20,639
home and you cannot practice this

2836
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:23,440
well that it was the catholic church is

2837
01:55:29,350 --> 01:55:26,320
big so if they make these statements

2838
01:55:31,270 --> 01:55:29,360
it's going to change the image of the

2839
01:55:33,270 --> 01:55:31,280
board because of the size of the

2840
01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:33,280
catholic church right

2841
01:55:36,709 --> 01:55:34,239
absolutely you know here's the

2842
01:55:39,109 --> 01:55:36,719
interesting fact i was raised a catholic

2843
01:55:40,390 --> 01:55:39,119
and we did all the stuff confirmation

2844
01:55:42,470 --> 01:55:40,400
all that stuff baptism all that all

2845
01:55:43,990 --> 01:55:42,480
those things and my mom was a catholic

2846
01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:44,000
she went to catholic college catholic

2847
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:45,440
pro-child school we were big time

2848
01:55:47,350 --> 01:55:46,400
catholics

2849
01:55:49,030 --> 01:55:47,360
and um

2850
01:55:52,149 --> 01:55:49,040
no problem getting one from santa claus

2851
01:55:53,589 --> 01:55:52,159
uh i think my parents just thought i was

2852
01:55:54,950 --> 01:55:53,599
messing around playing in fact when i

2853
01:55:56,229 --> 01:55:54,960
asked them they

2854
01:55:57,510 --> 01:55:56,239
they they totally believe me now like

2855
01:55:59,189 --> 01:55:57,520
because they get the messages and stuff

2856
01:56:00,790 --> 01:55:59,199
and they know my work over 49 years

2857
01:56:02,470 --> 01:56:00,800
right but back then they thought oh we

2858
01:56:03,910 --> 01:56:02,480
just thought you were just you know

2859
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:03,920
messing around with the board and

2860
01:56:08,629 --> 01:56:05,920
playing a game i said well no not really

2861
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:08,639
that's what was going on um so for me

2862
01:56:12,470 --> 01:56:10,320
and by the way the spiritualist movement

2863
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:12,480
was the same these people would go to

2864
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:14,880
church on sunday but saturday night they

2865
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:17,599
may go to a spiritualist camp or do like

2866
01:56:21,430 --> 01:56:19,280
lilly dale or casadega or go to these

2867
01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:21,440
places where you can have readings and

2868
01:56:25,109 --> 01:56:23,440
do medium shipping but they would still

2869
01:56:27,669 --> 01:56:25,119
go to church the next day

2870
01:56:29,430 --> 01:56:27,679
not saying they were catholic or not but

2871
01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:29,440
i it's funny jimmy you mentioned the

2872
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:31,760
catholicism so many people have reached

2873
01:56:34,870 --> 01:56:33,280
out to me over the years and said they

2874
01:56:36,229 --> 01:56:34,880
had a similar background like myself and

2875
01:56:37,669 --> 01:56:36,239
they were also catholic and use the

2876
01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:37,679
board

2877
01:56:41,990 --> 01:56:39,840
right and now

2878
01:56:43,030 --> 01:56:42,000
um we're going to be headed towards a

2879
01:56:46,790 --> 01:56:43,040
break

2880
01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:46,800
um uh and i want to discuss this deeply

2881
01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:49,040
when we come back and that is the

2882
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:50,080
internet

2883
01:56:51,910 --> 01:56:51,040
yeah and

2884
01:56:53,109 --> 01:56:51,920
and

2885
01:57:00,149 --> 01:56:53,119
the

2886
01:57:03,830 --> 01:57:00,159
crowley comes back into play and

2887
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:03,840
different demonic entities um some of

2888
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:06,159
the most watched videos

2889
01:57:12,709 --> 01:57:10,080
on youtube are of the ouija board

2890
01:57:14,390 --> 01:57:12,719
now is it because we'll we'll go into

2891
01:57:15,430 --> 01:57:14,400
this much deeper when we come back after

2892
01:57:17,109 --> 01:57:15,440
the break

2893
01:57:19,109 --> 01:57:17,119
you do a prayer

2894
01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:19,119
every time you do you break out the

2895
01:57:21,910 --> 01:57:20,000
board

2896
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:21,920
and that's

2897
01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:25,760
you do that for a reason um is it

2898
01:57:30,310 --> 01:57:28,480
just as easy for somebody to take this

2899
01:57:33,589 --> 01:57:30,320
into a dark place

2900
01:57:35,189 --> 01:57:33,599
as it is uh into a good place

2901
01:57:36,390 --> 01:57:35,199
well with anything you do in life you

2902
01:57:37,910 --> 01:57:36,400
can have a chip on your shoulder and

2903
01:57:39,109 --> 01:57:37,920
create all kinds of havoc in your life

2904
01:57:41,030 --> 01:57:39,119
or you can come about it from a

2905
01:57:43,189 --> 01:57:41,040
different direction and so i hate to

2906
01:57:45,189 --> 01:57:43,199
just section out the ouija because it's

2907
01:57:47,030 --> 01:57:45,199
anything you do in life you have a tool

2908
01:57:48,550 --> 01:57:47,040
such as a phone you can use it to

2909
01:57:50,070 --> 01:57:48,560
research talk to your friends your loved

2910
01:57:51,589 --> 01:57:50,080
ones or you might get telemarketing on

2911
01:57:53,109 --> 01:57:51,599
there you really don't want to get are

2912
01:57:54,470 --> 01:57:53,119
you going to throw your phone away or

2913
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:54,480
you have a tool such as a hammer you're

2914
01:57:58,229 --> 01:57:56,080
going to beat the [\h__\h] out of your your

2915
01:58:00,709 --> 01:57:58,239
your finger or you have a gun or you

2916
01:58:03,270 --> 01:58:00,719
know so it's always about responsibility

2917
01:58:04,950 --> 01:58:03,280
and i see it that way i always have

2918
01:58:06,709 --> 01:58:04,960
when you start going into an area like

2919
01:58:08,870 --> 01:58:06,719
mysterious area like the unseen

2920
01:58:10,709 --> 01:58:08,880
dimensions which we don't fully

2921
01:58:12,149 --> 01:58:10,719
understand and it's intriguing to a lot

2922
01:58:14,390 --> 01:58:12,159
of us and we we wouldn't be here

2923
01:58:16,149 --> 01:58:14,400
listening to your show if it wasn't we

2924
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:16,159
wouldn't be into extraterrestrials and

2925
01:58:19,350 --> 01:58:17,440
and conspiracy theories and all these

2926
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:19,360
things we don't fully know but we have

2927
01:58:23,510 --> 01:58:21,360
the inquisitive mind that takes us there

2928
01:58:26,310 --> 01:58:23,520
to do that and so if you can explore

2929
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:26,320
from a positive mind or mental set

2930
01:58:30,310 --> 01:58:27,920
you're better off and so you could take

2931
01:58:31,830 --> 01:58:30,320
anything into a dark space um and you

2932
01:58:33,830 --> 01:58:31,840
just sit there right now and make

2933
01:58:36,149 --> 01:58:33,840
yourself negative it's you know it's

2934
01:58:37,750 --> 01:58:36,159
life is too hard but if you come about

2935
01:58:40,149 --> 01:58:37,760
all this stuff i'm talking about tonight

2936
01:58:42,310 --> 01:58:40,159
but even just regular channeling or

2937
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:42,320
mediumship or psychic readings from a

2938
01:58:46,629 --> 01:58:45,040
space of attention or pure purity of

2939
01:58:48,229 --> 01:58:46,639
heart you're going to get that kind of

2940
01:58:49,669 --> 01:58:48,239
result it really is what you put into is

2941
01:58:51,990 --> 01:58:49,679
what you're going to get back

2942
01:58:54,070 --> 01:58:52,000
um and and to say that somebody gets

2943
01:58:55,750 --> 01:58:54,080
possessed by this tool i mean

2944
01:58:58,070 --> 01:58:55,760
it's so small you would get possessed

2945
01:59:00,070 --> 01:58:58,080
because of your own mindset the way you

2946
01:59:02,229 --> 01:59:00,080
are it's not the tools not alive people

2947
01:59:04,470 --> 01:59:02,239
the tool isn't just a tool it's

2948
01:59:06,550 --> 01:59:04,480
ourselves we can open ourselves up to

2949
01:59:09,109 --> 01:59:06,560
anything we can observe to negativity or

2950
01:59:10,550 --> 01:59:09,119
positivity and everything in between

2951
01:59:12,629 --> 01:59:10,560
let's take our break right here our

2952
01:59:14,470 --> 01:59:12,639
guest tonight the one and only karen a

2953
01:59:18,390 --> 01:59:14,480
dominant is with us

2954
01:59:20,070 --> 01:59:18,400
this is ouiji 101 tonight everybody

2955
01:59:21,750 --> 01:59:20,080
gonna have a pop quiz

2956
01:59:23,430 --> 01:59:21,760
i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

2957
01:59:29,260 --> 01:59:23,440
to black we'll be right back after this

2958
01:59:32,790 --> 01:59:31,430
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2959
01:59:38,540 --> 01:59:32,800
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2960
01:59:42,470 --> 01:59:39,990
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2961
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2972
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2973
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2974
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2981
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[Music]

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great show tonight this is fade to black

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i'm your host jimmy church

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of the game changer and annex networks

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tonight karen a dolman is with us one of

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my one of my favoritest people uh uh on

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this planet and and she's just

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absolutely amazing and and tonight we're

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doing uh a a ouija

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uh history 101

3073
02:04:57,189 --> 02:04:55,360
master class tonight we went through the

3074
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history of the boards and and her

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collection and the planchettes and of

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02:05:04,790 --> 02:05:01,599
course the history and the ownership and

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02:05:06,629 --> 02:05:04,800
and uh and the patents uh that that

3078
02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:06,639
happened with this and and the

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phenomenon the craze that uh took over

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the country

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02:05:17,669 --> 02:05:14,560
and um i went through uh a a very

3082
02:05:19,830 --> 02:05:17,679
strange period uh for for

3083
02:05:22,390 --> 02:05:19,840
probably a few weeks i was watching

3084
02:05:24,870 --> 02:05:22,400
youtube videos i was watching ouija i

3085
02:05:30,709 --> 02:05:24,880
could not stop

3086
02:05:32,550 --> 02:05:30,719
uh carried with me i mean they were

3087
02:05:34,870 --> 02:05:32,560
really well done and pretty frightening

3088
02:05:37,109 --> 02:05:34,880
i think most of it was staged

3089
02:05:39,270 --> 02:05:37,119
uh but it's it's entertainment and it

3090
02:05:40,310 --> 02:05:39,280
was fun but some of it

3091
02:05:42,709 --> 02:05:40,320
uh

3092
02:05:45,910 --> 02:05:42,719
you know i would say

3093
02:05:47,510 --> 02:05:45,920
was was very real and one of them was

3094
02:05:51,030 --> 02:05:47,520
summoning uh

3095
02:05:54,390 --> 02:05:51,040
the demon uh zozo right

3096
02:05:57,270 --> 02:05:54,400
and um which uh uh i think you and i

3097
02:05:59,510 --> 02:05:57,280
have talked about this briefly uh maybe

3098
02:06:00,709 --> 02:05:59,520
even more so privately

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02:06:04,550 --> 02:06:00,719
which

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02:06:07,910 --> 02:06:04,560
i always think of led zeppelin

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exactly right right right and and i

3102
02:06:10,149 --> 02:06:09,280
didn't know

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02:06:12,629 --> 02:06:10,159
uh

3104
02:06:14,629 --> 02:06:12,639
i didn't know these connections

3105
02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:14,639
and i would have uh

3106
02:06:20,470 --> 02:06:16,480
you know i've got led zeppelin t-shirts

3107
02:06:21,510 --> 02:06:20,480
with with zoso on it and i did i did not

3108
02:06:24,149 --> 02:06:21,520
know

3109
02:06:27,189 --> 02:06:24,159
of course you have uh the alistair

3110
02:06:29,750 --> 02:06:27,199
crowley uh jimmy page connection

3111
02:06:32,629 --> 02:06:29,760
jimmy bought crowley's old house over at

3112
02:06:35,030 --> 02:06:32,639
loch ness and moved in which eventually

3113
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:35,040
burnt down by the way and and that that

3114
02:06:39,189 --> 02:06:37,840
was a pretty crazy story when that broke

3115
02:06:41,510 --> 02:06:39,199
um now

3116
02:06:43,990 --> 02:06:41,520
do you feel and then i want to get to

3117
02:06:46,550 --> 02:06:44,000
your own personal stories uh i want to i

3118
02:06:47,350 --> 02:06:46,560
want to get into this do you feel that

3119
02:06:49,910 --> 02:06:47,360
they

3120
02:06:51,750 --> 02:06:49,920
these sessions where

3121
02:06:53,830 --> 02:06:51,760
these kids are getting together and they

3122
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:53,840
want to summon this demon through a

3123
02:06:57,510 --> 02:06:55,760
ouija board that this is

3124
02:06:58,790 --> 02:06:57,520
this is something that is actually

3125
02:07:01,510 --> 02:06:58,800
happening

3126
02:07:03,990 --> 02:07:01,520
i think what happens is our our psyche

3127
02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:04,000
our mind abilities our power a manifest

3128
02:07:08,870 --> 02:07:06,480
of manifestation and creation and making

3129
02:07:10,069 --> 02:07:08,880
tulpas and believing these things is

3130
02:07:11,510 --> 02:07:10,079
powerful

3131
02:07:12,790 --> 02:07:11,520
what we have to talk about here if we're

3132
02:07:14,069 --> 02:07:12,800
going to talk about you know summoning

3133
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:14,079
things like zozo we'll talk about that

3134
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:16,800
in just a moment or even any kind of you

3135
02:07:19,750 --> 02:07:17,920
know

3136
02:07:21,750 --> 02:07:19,760
hat man thin man mothman all these

3137
02:07:23,750 --> 02:07:21,760
things not saying they don't necessarily

3138
02:07:25,589 --> 02:07:23,760
exist but i'm saying your time would be

3139
02:07:27,510 --> 02:07:25,599
better well spent for your life if you

3140
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:27,520
try to pull in more like universal

3141
02:07:31,589 --> 02:07:29,360
consciousness and learn to channel to

3142
02:07:33,270 --> 02:07:31,599
help yourself uh guide yourself through

3143
02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:33,280
life life is so hard but yeah you could

3144
02:07:37,350 --> 02:07:35,280
get into anything and just start

3145
02:07:39,830 --> 02:07:37,360
believing it and creating it whether

3146
02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:39,840
it's actually literally happening but

3147
02:07:44,069 --> 02:07:42,000
every single sound every single thump

3148
02:07:47,109 --> 02:07:44,079
everything scary like at a slumber party

3149
02:07:48,870 --> 02:07:47,119
doing the ouija board you want it to be

3150
02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:48,880
scary you want that adrenaline rush and

3151
02:07:52,229 --> 02:07:50,400
you're gonna think oh my god there's a

3152
02:07:54,310 --> 02:07:52,239
ghost outside i heard the wrapping on

3153
02:07:56,310 --> 02:07:54,320
the window and it's just a leaf or or a

3154
02:07:58,790 --> 02:07:56,320
branch of a tree brushing so there's

3155
02:08:00,709 --> 02:07:58,800
there's a lot to be said there i mean

3156
02:08:02,950 --> 02:08:00,719
i can't speak for people's experiences i

3157
02:08:04,709 --> 02:08:02,960
can only speak for my own but i've heard

3158
02:08:06,470 --> 02:08:04,719
a lot of different stories i've heard

3159
02:08:08,550 --> 02:08:06,480
some terrible stories i've heard some

3160
02:08:09,589 --> 02:08:08,560
really enlightening stories and again i

3161
02:08:11,109 --> 02:08:09,599
really think it's about how you use

3162
02:08:13,430 --> 02:08:11,119
these tools again

3163
02:08:15,510 --> 02:08:13,440
it's not the tool that does it a ouija

3164
02:08:17,669 --> 02:08:15,520
board it's nothing has no demon in it it

3165
02:08:19,589 --> 02:08:17,679
has no warlock it has no witchery

3166
02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:19,599
trickery or anything in it it's just a

3167
02:08:23,350 --> 02:08:21,280
piece of board or nowadays are just

3168
02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:23,360
cardboard with a sticker on them

3169
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:25,920
um they they they have nothing imbued in

3170
02:08:29,910 --> 02:08:27,760
them um

3171
02:08:31,830 --> 02:08:29,920
it's ourselves and our own relationship

3172
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:31,840
to it and how we think about it now i

3173
02:08:35,990 --> 02:08:33,599
wanted to show you asking me earlier if

3174
02:08:37,910 --> 02:08:36,000
i can use any board and and spooky

3175
02:08:39,669 --> 02:08:37,920
boards and here's a board this is done

3176
02:08:42,069 --> 02:08:39,679
by dan whitaker dan whitaker is no

3177
02:08:44,550 --> 02:08:42,079
longer alive he he did this by hand this

3178
02:08:45,990 --> 02:08:44,560
is drawn by a sharpie it's made after

3179
02:08:48,470 --> 02:08:46,000
the witch board from the movie the

3180
02:08:50,950 --> 02:08:48,480
witchboard so it's spooky looking it's

3181
02:08:52,870 --> 02:08:50,960
meant to be that way demon and you know

3182
02:08:54,310 --> 02:08:52,880
all the weird looking things i love it i

3183
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:54,320
love it because he handmade it i love it

3184
02:08:58,790 --> 02:08:56,560
for the artwork when i use it it works

3185
02:09:01,030 --> 02:08:58,800
the same as let's say here we go i'll

3186
02:09:03,669 --> 02:09:01,040
show you the contrast now it works the

3187
02:09:05,830 --> 02:09:03,679
same as my beautiful angel board and i

3188
02:09:07,350 --> 02:09:05,840
and i like dan whitaker's board as much

3189
02:09:09,189 --> 02:09:07,360
as i like the angel board this is

3190
02:09:10,870 --> 02:09:09,199
archangels and stuff so i just want to

3191
02:09:12,870 --> 02:09:10,880
show you there's there's the

3192
02:09:14,550 --> 02:09:12,880
uh antithesis of each other you got the

3193
02:09:16,709 --> 02:09:14,560
angelic stuff and then you got this the

3194
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:16,719
devilish stuff and to me

3195
02:09:19,510 --> 02:09:17,920
it's worried about how do you approach

3196
02:09:21,270 --> 02:09:19,520
it what do you believe in what do you

3197
02:09:22,870 --> 02:09:21,280
believe in and your beliefs like i tell

3198
02:09:25,430 --> 02:09:22,880
you doing any kind of channeling

3199
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:25,440
mediumship psychic work all the stuff i

3200
02:09:29,510 --> 02:09:27,280
kind of mentioned along the way it's

3201
02:09:31,510 --> 02:09:29,520
like if your beliefs which creates your

3202
02:09:33,669 --> 02:09:31,520
filters for how you view the world your

3203
02:09:35,510 --> 02:09:33,679
perceptions is what you're going to get

3204
02:09:36,870 --> 02:09:35,520
back is how are you going to view it so

3205
02:09:38,790 --> 02:09:36,880
somebody who comes to us because that

3206
02:09:40,870 --> 02:09:38,800
what they were told in in in their

3207
02:09:43,030 --> 02:09:40,880
religious studies or their cultural

3208
02:09:45,030 --> 02:09:43,040
societal family they said that's a bad

3209
02:09:46,310 --> 02:09:45,040
thing to do they're going to come to it

3210
02:09:48,069 --> 02:09:46,320
and they're going to believe that and so

3211
02:09:49,350 --> 02:09:48,079
somebody if they're young and touch it

3212
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:49,360
most likely that's what they're going to

3213
02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:51,440
draw to them whether it's real or not

3214
02:09:55,669 --> 02:09:53,040
that's not for me to say

3215
02:09:57,589 --> 02:09:55,679
but i also know that you can use these

3216
02:09:59,270 --> 02:09:57,599
tools in the ouija board included or

3217
02:10:01,669 --> 02:09:59,280
automatic writing these things we talked

3218
02:10:03,910 --> 02:10:01,679
about and pull in

3219
02:10:05,750 --> 02:10:03,920
loving benevolent beings that are here

3220
02:10:07,350 --> 02:10:05,760
to help you assist you love you

3221
02:10:08,709 --> 02:10:07,360
unconditionally and they're like your

3222
02:10:09,510 --> 02:10:08,719
spirit guides

3223
02:10:11,109 --> 02:10:09,520
so

3224
02:10:13,109 --> 02:10:11,119
my thing is not to teach and tell

3225
02:10:14,629 --> 02:10:13,119
everybody to go use a ouija board but

3226
02:10:17,030 --> 02:10:14,639
i'm here to say this is

3227
02:10:19,589 --> 02:10:17,040
ultimately my statement is this

3228
02:10:21,990 --> 02:10:19,599
find your own way to tap the universal

3229
02:10:24,470 --> 02:10:22,000
consciousness so you can it's within

3230
02:10:26,550 --> 02:10:24,480
yourself so you can use it to help and

3231
02:10:28,310 --> 02:10:26,560
progress and evolve your life period in

3232
02:10:30,550 --> 02:10:28,320
a story i just happened to find at the

3233
02:10:32,310 --> 02:10:30,560
luigi board and i was listening to art

3234
02:10:33,510 --> 02:10:32,320
bell back in the day and all these older

3235
02:10:35,350 --> 02:10:33,520
shows and they were saying nothing but

3236
02:10:37,669 --> 02:10:35,360
negative stuff about the board

3237
02:10:39,510 --> 02:10:37,679
um so when i came out in 2012 i was on a

3238
02:10:41,109 --> 02:10:39,520
bunch of shows your show coast to coast

3239
02:10:43,030 --> 02:10:41,119
all these shows because i was saying

3240
02:10:45,350 --> 02:10:43,040
something different differently but i

3241
02:10:48,790 --> 02:10:45,360
also had 40 years of experience behind

3242
02:10:51,030 --> 02:10:48,800
me um to talk about how i got there and

3243
02:10:52,790 --> 02:10:51,040
so was a process and i learned in a

3244
02:10:54,870 --> 02:10:52,800
vacuum there was not like i said not the

3245
02:10:57,430 --> 02:10:54,880
books to read but it was a matter of me

3246
02:10:59,669 --> 02:10:57,440
working on myself spiritually and then

3247
02:11:02,790 --> 02:10:59,679
coming to this tool so if any of you are

3248
02:11:04,629 --> 02:11:02,800
interested in using this tool um i say

3249
02:11:06,870 --> 02:11:04,639
only use this tool if you're comfortable

3250
02:11:08,709 --> 02:11:06,880
with it it calls you like you feel

3251
02:11:10,870 --> 02:11:08,719
interested and curious about it but if

3252
02:11:12,390 --> 02:11:10,880
you have the beliefs and perceptions

3253
02:11:14,550 --> 02:11:12,400
that you can get beyond this tool and

3254
02:11:18,229 --> 02:11:14,560
that you're really just channeling

3255
02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:18,239
universal wisdom and all that is source

3256
02:11:21,750 --> 02:11:19,760
god whatever you want to call that

3257
02:11:23,109 --> 02:11:21,760
energy because that's what i do and and

3258
02:11:24,550 --> 02:11:23,119
i found a way to do that and i think you

3259
02:11:26,709 --> 02:11:24,560
too could crack the code of

3260
02:11:27,990 --> 02:11:26,719
consciousness and do something similar

3261
02:11:32,870 --> 02:11:28,000
with channeling

3262
02:11:34,069 --> 02:11:32,880
now um so i guess the advice would be

3263
02:11:37,350 --> 02:11:34,079
uh

3264
02:11:39,189 --> 02:11:37,360
don't goof around right i mean yeah you

3265
02:11:41,030 --> 02:11:39,199
go around with a gun somebody's gonna

3266
02:11:42,390 --> 02:11:41,040
end up dead you don't goof around with

3267
02:11:43,430 --> 02:11:42,400
serious tools

3268
02:11:48,950 --> 02:11:43,440
right

3269
02:11:50,790 --> 02:11:48,960
tonight we're having a sleepover

3270
02:11:53,350 --> 02:11:50,800
so let's uh break out the ouija board

3271
02:11:55,750 --> 02:11:53,360
and see what we can do not not not a

3272
02:11:58,550 --> 02:11:55,760
good plan not a good idea

3273
02:12:01,510 --> 02:11:58,560
uh take it serious now um i wanted to

3274
02:12:03,669 --> 02:12:01,520
talk uh just just a little bit um

3275
02:12:06,470 --> 02:12:03,679
because i've seen you do this every

3276
02:12:08,550 --> 02:12:06,480
single time you break out the board

3277
02:12:09,430 --> 02:12:08,560
you do a prayer that's right

3278
02:12:15,189 --> 02:12:09,440
and

3279
02:12:17,030 --> 02:12:15,199
when i was eight years old started this

3280
02:12:18,790 --> 02:12:17,040
i didn't know to do that but i knew to

3281
02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:18,800
be serious about it so i would do

3282
02:12:22,149 --> 02:12:20,400
something else like a lot of candle so

3283
02:12:26,229 --> 02:12:22,159
the thing was this it's to set the

3284
02:12:29,030 --> 02:12:26,239
vibration the frequency of myself and my

3285
02:12:31,109 --> 02:12:29,040
partner to enter into a sacred space

3286
02:12:33,830 --> 02:12:31,119
that's basically what we're doing we're

3287
02:12:36,310 --> 02:12:33,840
taking it what we are in the

3288
02:12:38,310 --> 02:12:36,320
regular every old day and moving

3289
02:12:40,390 --> 02:12:38,320
ourselves energetically into more of a

3290
02:12:42,550 --> 02:12:40,400
sacred space to be able to make the

3291
02:12:44,709 --> 02:12:42,560
connections which i'm so i have such

3292
02:12:46,069 --> 02:12:44,719
gratitude to the different beings that

3293
02:12:47,270 --> 02:12:46,079
come through and communicate because

3294
02:12:49,030 --> 02:12:47,280
they've been nothing but just so loving

3295
02:12:51,910 --> 02:12:49,040
and helpful so i want to go into a

3296
02:12:53,830 --> 02:12:51,920
sacred space like like you do when okay

3297
02:12:55,990 --> 02:12:53,840
i'm a psychotherapist when i work with

3298
02:12:58,149 --> 02:12:56,000
people there's a space that i help

3299
02:12:59,910 --> 02:12:58,159
create to contain so we can have a

3300
02:13:01,430 --> 02:12:59,920
conversations about

3301
02:13:04,390 --> 02:13:01,440
what their emotions are and it's safe

3302
02:13:06,550 --> 02:13:04,400
for them to share and then we're done we

3303
02:13:08,149 --> 02:13:06,560
we deconstruct that sacred space it's

3304
02:13:09,990 --> 02:13:08,159
silent i don't talk about it it goes

3305
02:13:12,149 --> 02:13:10,000
into my charts i put it away and they

3306
02:13:14,310 --> 02:13:12,159
leave but there's an opening and there's

3307
02:13:16,149 --> 02:13:14,320
always the closing people say oh make

3308
02:13:18,229 --> 02:13:16,159
sure you say goodbye on the board it's

3309
02:13:20,390 --> 02:13:18,239
not so much about saying goodbye it's

3310
02:13:22,149 --> 02:13:20,400
about having a way to end the session so

3311
02:13:23,510 --> 02:13:22,159
you can leave the sacred and come back

3312
02:13:25,669 --> 02:13:23,520
to the mundane

3313
02:13:28,870 --> 02:13:25,679
uh do you see what i just posted up

3314
02:13:32,310 --> 02:13:28,880
michelle said any anybody ever play uh

3315
02:13:33,910 --> 02:13:32,320
light is a feather at a sleepover right

3316
02:13:35,990 --> 02:13:33,920
yeah the fun story michelle thank you

3317
02:13:38,390 --> 02:13:36,000
for bringing that up so when i was

3318
02:13:40,550 --> 02:13:38,400
younger eight nine ten eleven twelve and

3319
02:13:41,990 --> 02:13:40,560
i would have my friends come over and

3320
02:13:43,669 --> 02:13:42,000
the girls would go home and say oh my

3321
02:13:46,310 --> 02:13:43,679
god karen dalman has a ouija board it's

3322
02:13:49,109 --> 02:13:46,320
so cool we was i always did cool things

3323
02:13:50,310 --> 02:13:49,119
it wasn't like scary you know um but but

3324
02:13:52,229 --> 02:13:50,320
they would go to their parents and their

3325
02:13:53,990 --> 02:13:52,239
parents were of the belief that that was

3326
02:13:56,470 --> 02:13:54,000
a bad thing to use because of the

3327
02:13:58,950 --> 02:13:56,480
exorcist or what they heard at religion

3328
02:14:00,950 --> 02:13:58,960
or culturally or whatever which is fine

3329
02:14:02,870 --> 02:14:00,960
i said hey no problem come on over we'll

3330
02:14:04,790 --> 02:14:02,880
play light as a feather stiff as a board

3331
02:14:06,629 --> 02:14:04,800
because guess what michelle you know

3332
02:14:08,550 --> 02:14:06,639
that works right jimmy i said we're

3333
02:14:10,069 --> 02:14:08,560
going to be supernatural

3334
02:14:11,830 --> 02:14:10,079
if it's the board or eliza featherston

3335
02:14:15,430 --> 02:14:11,840
of the board we're doing something fun

3336
02:14:17,669 --> 02:14:15,440
i'll never forget the first time i saw

3337
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:17,679
light as a feather stiff as a board uh

3338
02:14:20,950 --> 02:14:19,920
done uh with my friends and now we're

3339
02:14:21,750 --> 02:14:20,960
all

3340
02:14:28,390 --> 02:14:21,760
uh

3341
02:14:29,750 --> 02:14:28,400
we're all kids and and and and play and

3342
02:14:31,669 --> 02:14:29,760
and

3343
02:14:33,109 --> 02:14:31,679
two fingers right everybody had two

3344
02:14:34,310 --> 02:14:33,119
fingers that's what i remember

3345
02:14:38,149 --> 02:14:34,320
absolutely two fingers we used to get

3346
02:14:40,390 --> 02:14:38,159
down to one but yeah two right two

3347
02:14:42,310 --> 02:14:40,400
no way

3348
02:14:44,629 --> 02:14:42,320
and uh i couldn't wait to lay down on

3349
02:14:45,750 --> 02:14:44,639
the bed man i was next let's go let's do

3350
02:14:49,189 --> 02:14:45,760
this thing

3351
02:14:50,470 --> 02:14:49,199
and uh i i still don't know i know that

3352
02:14:53,030 --> 02:14:50,480
there's gonna be

3353
02:14:55,030 --> 02:14:53,040
uh uh different skeptics and stuff out

3354
02:14:57,669 --> 02:14:55,040
there that are gonna try to explain that

3355
02:15:00,790 --> 02:14:57,679
away no when you have a bunch of uh

3356
02:15:02,229 --> 02:15:00,800
eight-year-old kids uh uh levitating

3357
02:15:04,550 --> 02:15:02,239
bodies right

3358
02:15:06,629 --> 02:15:04,560
you remember the story was person sits

3359
02:15:08,550 --> 02:15:06,639
at the temple rubs the head and tells

3360
02:15:10,069 --> 02:15:08,560
the story of that person dying

3361
02:15:12,149 --> 02:15:10,079
and what it does it puts you in this

3362
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:12,159
really it's hypnosis it puts you into

3363
02:15:15,510 --> 02:15:13,920
relaxed state where your body does

3364
02:15:17,350 --> 02:15:15,520
become stiff as a board light as a

3365
02:15:19,510 --> 02:15:17,360
feather and the people lifting believe

3366
02:15:21,510 --> 02:15:19,520
it too and we're not going oh get them

3367
02:15:22,709 --> 02:15:21,520
up we're like this

3368
02:15:24,390 --> 02:15:22,719
right jimmy you just picked him right

3369
02:15:25,990 --> 02:15:24,400
off the floor like jeep

3370
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:26,000
you know what i'm in a little little

3371
02:15:31,030 --> 02:15:28,800
secret i've got a dinner party uh this

3372
02:15:32,550 --> 02:15:31,040
weekend oh

3373
02:15:34,860 --> 02:15:32,560
i think we're gonna play light as a

3374
02:15:37,189 --> 02:15:34,870
feather as adults

3375
02:15:39,750 --> 02:15:37,199
[Music]

3376
02:15:42,310 --> 02:15:39,760
and bring the ouija board too

3377
02:15:45,109 --> 02:15:42,320
i'm out of i'm not a pro at the ouija

3378
02:15:48,310 --> 02:15:45,119
board i'm not i you know i i don't want

3379
02:15:51,430 --> 02:15:48,320
to uh if you were over i would do it

3380
02:15:53,109 --> 02:15:51,440
yeah uh well we've done it uh

3381
02:15:54,229 --> 02:15:53,119
one of the parties you're right yeah

3382
02:15:56,709 --> 02:15:54,239
yeah and

3383
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:56,719
it's a lot of fun okay now

3384
02:16:04,310 --> 02:16:00,560
share some crazy stories um i i know

3385
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:04,320
um after 40 years we're the same age 49

3386
02:16:10,550 --> 02:16:07,119
years of using the board 49 years um

3387
02:16:13,189 --> 02:16:10,560
you've got you've got oh my god

3388
02:16:14,550 --> 02:16:13,199
share some stuff with us well okay so i

3389
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:14,560
think the most i have so many stories

3390
02:16:18,950 --> 02:16:16,880
you guys but one of the most memorable

3391
02:16:20,390 --> 02:16:18,960
stories which really was my turning

3392
02:16:22,149 --> 02:16:20,400
point using this tool and how i was

3393
02:16:24,310 --> 02:16:22,159
going to use it i mean i was using it

3394
02:16:25,990 --> 02:16:24,320
originally from mediumship i thought

3395
02:16:27,350 --> 02:16:26,000
that's what you're supposed to do

3396
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:27,360
uh because that's what the spiritualist

3397
02:16:31,189 --> 02:16:29,360
movement earlier came from was it was

3398
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:31,199
talking to to the deceased

3399
02:16:36,150 --> 02:16:32,880
i didn't know you can actually talk to

3400
02:16:39,110 --> 02:16:36,160
animals and cryptids and spirit guides

3401
02:16:40,709 --> 02:16:39,120
and angels and i mean it went on and on

3402
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:40,719
but i'll tell you my most memorable

3403
02:16:43,750 --> 02:16:41,840
story was

3404
02:16:46,309 --> 02:16:43,760
we were using this board i was i was in

3405
02:16:48,070 --> 02:16:46,319
a sorority in college and i was using it

3406
02:16:49,589 --> 02:16:48,080
on the last two years of college a lot

3407
02:16:51,669 --> 02:16:49,599
and i had a couple girls in there who

3408
02:16:53,030 --> 02:16:51,679
did it really well with me almost well

3409
02:16:54,469 --> 02:16:53,040
to the level that rodney and i can use

3410
02:16:55,990 --> 02:16:54,479
it they did it really well so we're

3411
02:16:58,790 --> 02:16:56,000
using the board the board we were using

3412
02:17:00,709 --> 02:16:58,800
was this size board okay not my small

3413
02:17:04,790 --> 02:17:00,719
one my friend had this one this is like

3414
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:04,800
a 1950s board 50 60s was the size so we

3415
02:17:07,429 --> 02:17:06,080
were doing it a lot and we were using my

3416
02:17:09,750 --> 02:17:07,439
small board oh

3417
02:17:11,190 --> 02:17:09,760
this one right here all the time so we

3418
02:17:12,629 --> 02:17:11,200
said to the girls the girls go what

3419
02:17:15,270 --> 02:17:12,639
karen what are you doing i don't get

3420
02:17:17,750 --> 02:17:15,280
this is stupid you push this thing

3421
02:17:19,270 --> 02:17:17,760
around what exactly it's evil what

3422
02:17:21,589 --> 02:17:19,280
exactly are you doing all the catholic

3423
02:17:24,469 --> 02:17:21,599
girls come to me and i say well hey

3424
02:17:26,469 --> 02:17:24,479
let's go downstairs to our secret

3425
02:17:28,469 --> 02:17:26,479
chapter room and i sat there

3426
02:17:30,150 --> 02:17:28,479
cross-legged

3427
02:17:31,669 --> 02:17:30,160
and i had my friend linda who did it

3428
02:17:33,190 --> 02:17:31,679
really well we're still friends and she

3429
02:17:35,030 --> 02:17:33,200
actually wrote something in my book

3430
02:17:36,870 --> 02:17:35,040
she's in my book by the way and she sat

3431
02:17:38,870 --> 02:17:36,880
across from me i said we're gonna take

3432
02:17:41,270 --> 02:17:38,880
this one step further

3433
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:41,280
we're gonna blindfold ourselves

3434
02:17:44,309 --> 02:17:42,800
we're not going to see

3435
02:17:46,150 --> 02:17:44,319
and then i said the friend i said you're

3436
02:17:47,750 --> 02:17:46,160
going to be the described we're going to

3437
02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:47,760
write i'm going to plant your thoughts

3438
02:17:50,549 --> 02:17:49,120
on a letter

3439
02:17:52,469 --> 02:17:50,559
we sat there

3440
02:17:53,270 --> 02:17:52,479
and we blindfolded ourselves we couldn't

3441
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:53,280
see

3442
02:17:56,309 --> 02:17:54,800
the girls put the board i don't i didn't

3443
02:17:58,230 --> 02:17:56,319
know it was upside down or right side up

3444
02:17:59,830 --> 02:17:58,240
on my legs i had no idea it turned out

3445
02:18:00,790 --> 02:17:59,840
it was facing me but i didn't know it at

3446
02:18:02,790 --> 02:18:00,800
the time

3447
02:18:04,309 --> 02:18:02,800
put her hands in that planchette again

3448
02:18:07,270 --> 02:18:04,319
we're blindfolded

3449
02:18:09,990 --> 02:18:07,280
it just starts moving around now at that

3450
02:18:11,509 --> 02:18:10,000
point excuse me we were talking to

3451
02:18:13,830 --> 02:18:11,519
somebody who was one of our sorority

3452
02:18:15,750 --> 02:18:13,840
sisters who had died a few years earlier

3453
02:18:17,910 --> 02:18:15,760
and i didn't know this woman but a lot

3454
02:18:19,349 --> 02:18:17,920
of my alum alumni and older girls in the

3455
02:18:20,389 --> 02:18:19,359
house knew her so i just started chalk

3456
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:20,399
talking her whole time and i got all

3457
02:18:23,830 --> 02:18:22,399
these stories and people could confirm

3458
02:18:25,910 --> 02:18:23,840
that what she was giving it was

3459
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:25,920
information nobody should have known so

3460
02:18:29,830 --> 02:18:28,399
i thought she would come through no

3461
02:18:31,990 --> 02:18:29,840
what happened was

3462
02:18:33,270 --> 02:18:32,000
back then i wasn't doing a prayer i

3463
02:18:34,389 --> 02:18:33,280
would just say hey we're used i would

3464
02:18:37,669 --> 02:18:34,399
just say something like we're using the

3465
02:18:38,870 --> 02:18:37,679
board to uh reach the spirits we're i

3466
02:18:41,349 --> 02:18:38,880
always say we're protected we're in

3467
02:18:42,870 --> 02:18:41,359
light but it wasn't what i was doing now

3468
02:18:45,669 --> 02:18:42,880
what i do now

3469
02:18:47,190 --> 02:18:45,679
the plant [\h__\h] moves really fast it's

3470
02:18:48,629 --> 02:18:47,200
going around

3471
02:18:50,709 --> 02:18:48,639
and then it finally comes to it close

3472
02:18:52,309 --> 02:18:50,719
and it stops i'm like wow that was

3473
02:18:54,309 --> 02:18:52,319
intense right linda's like that was

3474
02:18:56,309 --> 02:18:54,319
intense okay

3475
02:18:58,389 --> 02:18:56,319
you had if you guys are blindfolded

3476
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:58,399
somebody else is writing right who

3477
02:19:02,150 --> 02:18:59,920
wasn't blindfolded with their hands in

3478
02:19:03,830 --> 02:19:02,160
the planchette a girl over here is not

3479
02:19:05,990 --> 02:19:03,840
blindfolded i said don't call the

3480
02:19:07,509 --> 02:19:06,000
letters out loud just write them down so

3481
02:19:09,669 --> 02:19:07,519
it would stop and then we go the next

3482
02:19:11,509 --> 02:19:09,679
letter you know be like like this fast

3483
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:11,519
and she just kept up with it now you

3484
02:19:14,389 --> 02:19:12,479
guys

3485
02:19:16,150 --> 02:19:14,399
people say if you do the board

3486
02:19:17,750 --> 02:19:16,160
blindfolded that ruins everything it

3487
02:19:19,910 --> 02:19:17,760
won't work they say it's your idiom

3488
02:19:22,150 --> 02:19:19,920
motor it's you need your eyes to do this

3489
02:19:24,389 --> 02:19:22,160
work get your your brain controlling the

3490
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:24,399
fine muscle movements and you guys i had

3491
02:19:28,830 --> 02:19:27,599
this prove to me and this session

3492
02:19:31,750 --> 02:19:28,840
it was

3493
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:31,760
1986 when this happened okay this is

3494
02:19:35,509 --> 02:19:33,120
what changed me at that point i've been

3495
02:19:38,389 --> 02:19:35,519
using the board for 13 years

3496
02:19:40,709 --> 02:19:38,399
planchette stops i say dina please read

3497
02:19:43,509 --> 02:19:40,719
verbatim here it is in my book

3498
02:19:45,110 --> 02:19:43,519
hello lindsay this is your sister

3499
02:19:50,070 --> 02:19:45,120
i am fine

3500
02:19:51,750 --> 02:19:50,080
boyfriend

3501
02:19:53,830 --> 02:19:51,760
we love you all

3502
02:19:55,830 --> 02:19:53,840
we are still with you

3503
02:19:58,070 --> 02:19:55,840
we felt no pain

3504
02:20:00,870 --> 02:19:58,080
and died on impact

3505
02:20:03,190 --> 02:20:00,880
the only pain we ever felt

3506
02:20:05,590 --> 02:20:03,200
was the pain the family felt and

3507
02:20:08,230 --> 02:20:05,600
expressed at our funerals

3508
02:20:10,870 --> 02:20:08,240
we are at peace and feel love

3509
02:20:12,070 --> 02:20:10,880
please do not be concerned about us

3510
02:20:14,389 --> 02:20:12,080
anymore

3511
02:20:16,790 --> 02:20:14,399
know that we love you and we'll always

3512
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:16,800
be with you we will be with you again i

3513
02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:18,880
love you all

3514
02:20:24,790 --> 02:20:22,240
wow it now i got time still emotional it

3515
02:20:26,070 --> 02:20:24,800
was incredible i had no idea but another

3516
02:20:27,670 --> 02:20:26,080
girl sitting in the room who was one of

3517
02:20:29,429 --> 02:20:27,680
the ones what are you guys doing

3518
02:20:31,910 --> 02:20:29,439
she had a dead sister a sister who died

3519
02:20:35,110 --> 02:20:31,920
just a few years earlier a literal blood

3520
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:35,120
sister and i had no idea and nobody in

3521
02:20:38,550 --> 02:20:36,960
the room but one other person knew

3522
02:20:40,630 --> 02:20:38,560
she had a sister who died she never

3523
02:20:44,389 --> 02:20:40,640
talked about it this girl was sitting

3524
02:20:46,309 --> 02:20:44,399
there crying that gut-wrenching cry you

3525
02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:46,319
know the ugly cry that happens sometimes

3526
02:20:50,230 --> 02:20:48,240
and all of us there was not a dry eye in

3527
02:20:51,750 --> 02:20:50,240
the room and i i was like oh god what

3528
02:20:55,030 --> 02:20:51,760
did i open here

3529
02:20:56,630 --> 02:20:55,040
but i thought wow this is healing i said

3530
02:20:59,030 --> 02:20:56,640
what are you gonna do with this message

3531
02:21:00,790 --> 02:20:59,040
she goes i'm telling my mom and dad

3532
02:21:02,309 --> 02:21:00,800
and i said you guys no more fun and

3533
02:21:05,030 --> 02:21:02,319
games i don't need to prove anything to

3534
02:21:07,270 --> 02:21:05,040
any of you or anybody ever again i know

3535
02:21:08,389 --> 02:21:07,280
this tool works this was the proof i

3536
02:21:10,230 --> 02:21:08,399
already already knew it worked but this

3537
02:21:11,990 --> 02:21:10,240
is proof to eight or nine of you in the

3538
02:21:15,270 --> 02:21:12,000
room i think it was eight or nine of us

3539
02:21:16,550 --> 02:21:15,280
and there was one gal from that 1986 who

3540
02:21:18,150 --> 02:21:16,560
wrote something for this book in the

3541
02:21:20,070 --> 02:21:18,160
very back and talked about i said what

3542
02:21:21,670 --> 02:21:20,080
was your most memorable experience she

3543
02:21:23,750 --> 02:21:21,680
talked about that session she goes it

3544
02:21:25,429 --> 02:21:23,760
changed her life changed her view on

3545
02:21:27,429 --> 02:21:25,439
religion changed her view on the

3546
02:21:29,349 --> 02:21:27,439
afterlife she quit fearing death and a

3547
02:21:31,590 --> 02:21:29,359
lot of other things but it was amazing

3548
02:21:33,270 --> 02:21:31,600
to have that experience and it's

3549
02:21:34,550 --> 02:21:33,280
something that nobody could ever take

3550
02:21:36,389 --> 02:21:34,560
from me or tell me it didn't happen

3551
02:21:38,870 --> 02:21:36,399
because it happened i had witnesses

3552
02:21:42,230 --> 02:21:38,880
during this process have you ever had a

3553
02:21:44,790 --> 02:21:42,240
spirit or somebody that you've contacted

3554
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:44,800
say you know what um

3555
02:21:49,750 --> 02:21:47,680
i'm not into this yes yes

3556
02:21:51,510 --> 02:21:49,760
i've had spirits come through and uh so

3557
02:21:53,590 --> 02:21:51,520
people reach out to me sometimes and i

3558
02:21:55,429 --> 02:21:53,600
used to do sessions on the board and

3559
02:21:56,550 --> 02:21:55,439
people would would pay us a small fee

3560
02:21:58,309 --> 02:21:56,560
and rodney and i would do them now i'm

3561
02:22:00,550 --> 02:21:58,319
not i'm doing that anymore i'm working

3562
02:22:01,830 --> 02:22:00,560
off the board channeling directly and i

3563
02:22:04,230 --> 02:22:01,840
do some mediumship that way or just

3564
02:22:05,670 --> 02:22:04,240
psychic readings but um people people

3565
02:22:07,510 --> 02:22:05,680
would come to me and say i really would

3566
02:22:08,790 --> 02:22:07,520
like you to reach so and so who just

3567
02:22:11,110 --> 02:22:08,800
transitioned it could be an aunt a

3568
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:11,120
brother a mother and um sometimes they

3569
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:12,399
would come through and give a message

3570
02:22:15,910 --> 02:22:14,240
other times they'd say

3571
02:22:17,590 --> 02:22:15,920
i'm not gonna come through you you i

3572
02:22:19,590 --> 02:22:17,600
don't know you i'm gonna come to them

3573
02:22:21,750 --> 02:22:19,600
directly tell them it's best for them to

3574
02:22:23,349 --> 02:22:21,760
look to their dreams or tell them to

3575
02:22:25,030 --> 02:22:23,359
open up their ability their minds

3576
02:22:27,110 --> 02:22:25,040
because i've already been coming to them

3577
02:22:28,790 --> 02:22:27,120
listen to your favorite song or whatever

3578
02:22:31,030 --> 02:22:28,800
so yeah this is

3579
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:31,040
not it hasn't do it the board they never

3580
02:22:35,270 --> 02:22:33,280
go oh i'm screwed aboard it's that they

3581
02:22:37,429 --> 02:22:35,280
they don't know who i am and they know i

3582
02:22:39,270 --> 02:22:37,439
can channel but they want to have their

3583
02:22:41,110 --> 02:22:39,280
intimate relationship with the person

3584
02:22:42,630 --> 02:22:41,120
they they love when they left

3585
02:22:44,950 --> 02:22:42,640
right yeah you're

3586
02:22:46,469 --> 02:22:44,960
you're getting into their space right

3587
02:22:48,469 --> 02:22:46,479
and there's no need for that so i don't

3588
02:22:50,870 --> 02:22:48,479
ever push that if somebody doesn't come

3589
02:22:53,190 --> 02:22:50,880
through it's like i i honor that because

3590
02:22:54,790 --> 02:22:53,200
it's like they have their own way you

3591
02:22:56,870 --> 02:22:54,800
know rosemary and guyley still comes

3592
02:22:59,510 --> 02:22:56,880
through and talks to me on the board and

3593
02:23:01,110 --> 02:22:59,520
off the board because she and i when she

3594
02:23:04,150 --> 02:23:01,120
was alive we used to get together and do

3595
02:23:06,469 --> 02:23:04,160
the board together

3596
02:23:10,309 --> 02:23:06,479
the um uh

3597
02:23:13,270 --> 02:23:10,319
what about a a random uh connection

3598
02:23:14,790 --> 02:23:13,280
right it's somebody that uh uh

3599
02:23:17,990 --> 02:23:14,800
approaches you

3600
02:23:20,070 --> 02:23:18,000
through the board that you don't expect

3601
02:23:22,070 --> 02:23:20,080
and you were thinking something else was

3602
02:23:23,590 --> 02:23:22,080
going to happen is that something that

3603
02:23:25,910 --> 02:23:23,600
that occurs and

3604
02:23:27,830 --> 02:23:25,920
all the time all the time when i do the

3605
02:23:29,750 --> 02:23:27,840
board with one of my brothers he's also

3606
02:23:31,030 --> 02:23:29,760
very good at using the board and it's

3607
02:23:32,630 --> 02:23:31,040
not like we do it all the time together

3608
02:23:34,230 --> 02:23:32,640
because he's got his own life and we

3609
02:23:36,150 --> 02:23:34,240
don't we live in different states but

3610
02:23:37,750 --> 02:23:36,160
once in a while we get together he will

3611
02:23:39,270 --> 02:23:37,760
do it with me and all he has to do is he

3612
02:23:40,870 --> 02:23:39,280
doesn't have to focus he just puts one

3613
02:23:42,790 --> 02:23:40,880
hand on her it might even have a

3614
02:23:44,870 --> 02:23:42,800
conversation over here or just not even

3615
02:23:47,750 --> 02:23:44,880
pay attention and it's like watching

3616
02:23:50,070 --> 02:23:47,760
rodney but rodney's focus he's like

3617
02:23:52,150 --> 02:23:50,080
whatever and it just goes and we were

3618
02:23:53,270 --> 02:23:52,160
doing this one night we were out in palm

3619
02:23:55,030 --> 02:23:53,280
springs

3620
02:23:57,590 --> 02:23:55,040
and all of a sudden somebody comes

3621
02:23:59,670 --> 02:23:57,600
through and said hey hey where am i can

3622
02:24:02,309 --> 02:23:59,680
you help me i don't know where i am it's

3623
02:24:03,990 --> 02:24:02,319
dark i don't know and i said well

3624
02:24:05,750 --> 02:24:04,000
you know who are you good well this is

3625
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:05,760
my name his name was hector and he said

3626
02:24:10,550 --> 02:24:08,160
i don't know where i am um i just i

3627
02:24:13,510 --> 02:24:10,560
could see an address so we spout out the

3628
02:24:15,349 --> 02:24:13,520
address the numbers the street

3629
02:24:16,870 --> 02:24:15,359
everything it turned out it was in indio

3630
02:24:17,830 --> 02:24:16,880
california

3631
02:24:20,230 --> 02:24:17,840
and so

3632
02:24:22,790 --> 02:24:20,240
um the next day we decided to go let's

3633
02:24:24,710 --> 02:24:22,800
go see this address is real well the son

3634
02:24:25,830 --> 02:24:24,720
of my bro my brother's stepson actually

3635
02:24:28,309 --> 02:24:25,840
looked it up on his phone and said this

3636
02:24:29,990 --> 02:24:28,319
is a real address so we go there it was

3637
02:24:32,150 --> 02:24:30,000
a funeral home

3638
02:24:33,429 --> 02:24:32,160
and it turns out when i we talked to him

3639
02:24:35,830 --> 02:24:33,439
again i've talked to him several times

3640
02:24:38,630 --> 02:24:35,840
since then turns out he died not in the

3641
02:24:40,950 --> 02:24:38,640
funeral home but on the land and he was

3642
02:24:42,389 --> 02:24:40,960
like a worker like like a migrant worker

3643
02:24:44,550 --> 02:24:42,399
who died in the heat

3644
02:24:47,270 --> 02:24:44,560
and he was in the same

3645
02:24:49,030 --> 02:24:47,280
area of that funeral home and whereas he

3646
02:24:50,790 --> 02:24:49,040
was actually buried but his essence was

3647
02:24:53,030 --> 02:24:50,800
still there it said all i can see is

3648
02:24:54,469 --> 02:24:53,040
this address and it was definitely it

3649
02:24:56,790 --> 02:24:54,479
was a funeral home it was it was a

3650
02:24:58,550 --> 02:24:56,800
craziest thing but that's not that that

3651
02:25:00,230 --> 02:24:58,560
happens a lot

3652
02:25:02,550 --> 02:25:00,240
what i've learned is i would when i have

3653
02:25:05,510 --> 02:25:02,560
a plan chat or something or just a board

3654
02:25:07,510 --> 02:25:05,520
for me now for me if i if i'm in the

3655
02:25:09,270 --> 02:25:07,520
space of using this tool

3656
02:25:10,710 --> 02:25:09,280
they find that that's their opportunity

3657
02:25:12,230 --> 02:25:10,720
to come through and communicate

3658
02:25:14,070 --> 02:25:12,240
sometimes there doesn't have to be a

3659
02:25:16,150 --> 02:25:14,080
connection to me at all for them to want

3660
02:25:18,469 --> 02:25:16,160
to do that they just want their story to

3661
02:25:20,550 --> 02:25:18,479
be heard for example

3662
02:25:22,550 --> 02:25:20,560
lena who had this the sorority sister

3663
02:25:24,550 --> 02:25:22,560
who had her sister had been

3664
02:25:26,150 --> 02:25:24,560
deceased for like three or four years

3665
02:25:28,389 --> 02:25:26,160
that was her opportunity

3666
02:25:30,070 --> 02:25:28,399
and she knew that her sister

3667
02:25:31,830 --> 02:25:30,080
trusted me enough that she would take

3668
02:25:34,070 --> 02:25:31,840
this message to her parents who were

3669
02:25:36,070 --> 02:25:34,080
feeling guilty and bad about that death

3670
02:25:38,070 --> 02:25:36,080
so yeah i i can't i can call in

3671
02:25:39,429 --> 02:25:38,080
sometimes different beans especially the

3672
02:25:41,670 --> 02:25:39,439
ones i work with all the time that's not

3673
02:25:43,349 --> 02:25:41,680
a problem but just anyone coming in it's

3674
02:25:44,950 --> 02:25:43,359
not always that way so

3675
02:25:46,070 --> 02:25:44,960
what i've learned you guys over the

3676
02:25:47,910 --> 02:25:46,080
years because there will be an

3677
02:25:49,510 --> 02:25:47,920
opportunity for people

3678
02:25:51,510 --> 02:25:49,520
to see people to come through or even

3679
02:25:53,910 --> 02:25:51,520
somebody's spirit guide is i've learned

3680
02:25:56,230 --> 02:25:53,920
to raise the vibrations say the prayer

3681
02:25:58,150 --> 02:25:56,240
get get everybody in the room myself my

3682
02:26:00,070 --> 02:25:58,160
partner or people that are at my circle

3683
02:26:02,469 --> 02:26:00,080
at the same frequencies the same

3684
02:26:04,710 --> 02:26:02,479
energetic level so we could bring in the

3685
02:26:06,630 --> 02:26:04,720
energy together and that way i find it

3686
02:26:07,750 --> 02:26:06,640
will work better and then it might be a

3687
02:26:09,910 --> 02:26:07,760
message for somebody in the room who

3688
02:26:12,469 --> 02:26:09,920
didn't even ask because it's a timing as

3689
02:26:13,590 --> 02:26:12,479
a timing thing to hear the message

3690
02:26:15,429 --> 02:26:13,600
um

3691
02:26:17,270 --> 02:26:15,439
i want to talk about hector for a second

3692
02:26:19,429 --> 02:26:17,280
before the break

3693
02:26:22,790 --> 02:26:19,439
you want to do overtime whatever you

3694
02:26:23,830 --> 02:26:22,800
want to do yeah yeah so great

3695
02:26:26,070 --> 02:26:23,840
okay

3696
02:26:27,110 --> 02:26:26,080
let's get that out of the way um but

3697
02:26:29,510 --> 02:26:27,120
hector

3698
02:26:31,110 --> 02:26:29,520
yep he was

3699
02:26:33,270 --> 02:26:31,120
he was lost

3700
02:26:34,950 --> 02:26:33,280
right and he didn't know where he was

3701
02:26:36,790 --> 02:26:34,960
and and

3702
02:26:39,349 --> 02:26:36,800
and how does that make you feel that's

3703
02:26:41,830 --> 02:26:39,359
the one part about this whether it's

3704
02:26:44,070 --> 02:26:41,840
evps or connection or you know when you

3705
02:26:46,309 --> 02:26:44,080
when you contact a spirit that's the

3706
02:26:49,830 --> 02:26:46,319
part that you know honestly just freaks

3707
02:26:51,670 --> 02:26:49,840
me out it's a melancholy it's almost for

3708
02:26:53,670 --> 02:26:51,680
lauren you don't want to be like that

3709
02:26:55,590 --> 02:26:53,680
right no but

3710
02:26:57,590 --> 02:26:55,600
you know do we ask this now or wait till

3711
02:27:01,429 --> 02:26:57,600
break after no no let's do it now we've

3712
02:27:03,110 --> 02:27:01,439
got a [\h__\h] okay in the case of hector um

3713
02:27:05,429 --> 02:27:03,120
he wanted help he goes i want to know

3714
02:27:07,110 --> 02:27:05,439
where i am i don't like it i and he

3715
02:27:08,230 --> 02:27:07,120
didn't use the word stuck but i knew

3716
02:27:09,429 --> 02:27:08,240
where i knew that he was stuck i've

3717
02:27:11,429 --> 02:27:09,439
worked with so many different spirits

3718
02:27:12,469 --> 02:27:11,439
over the years who come to me and say i

3719
02:27:14,630 --> 02:27:12,479
need help

3720
02:27:16,469 --> 02:27:14,640
it's not my agenda i don't go oh i gotta

3721
02:27:18,070 --> 02:27:16,479
go rescue the spirit and send it to the

3722
02:27:20,150 --> 02:27:18,080
light i mean that that's that's

3723
02:27:21,750 --> 02:27:20,160
hollywood that's that's not what i do if

3724
02:27:23,590 --> 02:27:21,760
they come to me and say can you help me

3725
02:27:24,790 --> 02:27:23,600
i'm like i would love to help you and

3726
02:27:27,270 --> 02:27:24,800
they typically do it because they

3727
02:27:28,630 --> 02:27:27,280
recognize the light when you when you

3728
02:27:30,309 --> 02:27:28,640
channel when you channel these other

3729
02:27:31,910 --> 02:27:30,319
dimensions there's like it's like you

3730
02:27:33,429 --> 02:27:31,920
set up a light i can't explain it it's

3731
02:27:34,469 --> 02:27:33,439
like a proverbial light but it's also

3732
02:27:36,230 --> 02:27:34,479
literal

3733
02:27:38,710 --> 02:27:36,240
and they see it and they go to it they

3734
02:27:40,230 --> 02:27:38,720
go well this feels good can you help me

3735
02:27:42,309 --> 02:27:40,240
and because i can hear them and work

3736
02:27:44,790 --> 02:27:42,319
with them through this meet this tool as

3737
02:27:47,190 --> 02:27:44,800
many mediums can do many channelers can

3738
02:27:49,910 --> 02:27:47,200
do the same thing it's like then then we

3739
02:27:51,910 --> 02:27:49,920
can hear the conversation he wanted once

3740
02:27:52,950 --> 02:27:51,920
he realized he was actually transitioned

3741
02:27:55,110 --> 02:27:52,960
which is what i like to call it because

3742
02:27:57,110 --> 02:27:55,120
you never really die but he wasn't of

3743
02:27:59,590 --> 02:27:57,120
that body anymore and he was hanging out

3744
02:28:01,670 --> 02:27:59,600
as a spirit he wanted to move on but it

3745
02:28:03,670 --> 02:28:01,680
was through a process of conversation of

3746
02:28:05,190 --> 02:28:03,680
communicating with him a few times and

3747
02:28:07,030 --> 02:28:05,200
helping him realize and then bringing in

3748
02:28:09,270 --> 02:28:07,040
his angels it's a whole spirit

3749
02:28:11,110 --> 02:28:09,280
releasement or i should say transition

3750
02:28:13,030 --> 02:28:11,120
process i use and i do talk about how to

3751
02:28:14,790 --> 02:28:13,040
do that in this book here because i've

3752
02:28:16,230 --> 02:28:14,800
done it many times hector is hector in

3753
02:28:17,429 --> 02:28:16,240
here hector's in here but there's a few

3754
02:28:20,070 --> 02:28:17,439
others that are in here too that i've

3755
02:28:22,309 --> 02:28:20,080
worked with but again it's not my agenda

3756
02:28:24,309 --> 02:28:22,319
it's their agenda and what they want to

3757
02:28:26,710 --> 02:28:24,319
achieve from the opportunity to have

3758
02:28:28,950 --> 02:28:26,720
this communication yeah i i find that

3759
02:28:30,790 --> 02:28:28,960
interesting because that's interesting

3760
02:28:32,950 --> 02:28:30,800
it wasn't somebody that's come to you

3761
02:28:35,270 --> 02:28:32,960
and said you know my aunt

3762
02:28:36,550 --> 02:28:35,280
margaret right or my

3763
02:28:38,870 --> 02:28:36,560
whatever

3764
02:28:41,429 --> 02:28:38,880
um it's it's not about that

3765
02:28:43,990 --> 02:28:41,439
this was something that was random

3766
02:28:46,550 --> 02:28:44,000
random it wasn't a celebrity right it

3767
02:28:48,870 --> 02:28:46,560
wasn't cleopatra

3768
02:28:51,110 --> 02:28:48,880
it's somebody named hector that gives

3769
02:28:52,150 --> 02:28:51,120
you an address uh to a funeral home

3770
02:28:53,270 --> 02:28:52,160
which was

3771
02:28:54,389 --> 02:28:53,280
random

3772
02:28:55,910 --> 02:28:54,399
legit

3773
02:28:57,429 --> 02:28:55,920
right there and it was like we didn't

3774
02:28:59,270 --> 02:28:57,439
know his funeral home we were like what

3775
02:29:01,110 --> 02:28:59,280
is this this happened quite a few years

3776
02:29:03,590 --> 02:29:01,120
ago um the internet was still kind of

3777
02:29:04,790 --> 02:29:03,600
infancy um but yeah it was crazy we're

3778
02:29:06,710 --> 02:29:04,800
like what

3779
02:29:07,750 --> 02:29:06,720
um and listen even though i do this i've

3780
02:29:11,190 --> 02:29:07,760
been doing it for such a long time

3781
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:11,200
almost 50 years i am always amazed at

3782
02:29:14,070 --> 02:29:13,040
these incredible messages that come

3783
02:29:15,190 --> 02:29:14,080
through you know we've done a few on

3784
02:29:17,349 --> 02:29:15,200
your show and i'm like i don't know

3785
02:29:19,670 --> 02:29:17,359
anything about this that guy right the

3786
02:29:21,190 --> 02:29:19,680
guy who would the the guitarist

3787
02:29:22,550 --> 02:29:21,200
i didn't know about art bell but they

3788
02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:22,560
still came through

3789
02:29:32,309 --> 02:29:30,950
randy rhodes who did we do might have

3790
02:29:33,510 --> 02:29:32,319
been you know i can't remember but it

3791
02:29:35,750 --> 02:29:33,520
was a famous musician you just

3792
02:29:37,110 --> 02:29:35,760
transitioned and you go you want i go i

3793
02:29:39,670 --> 02:29:37,120
go do you know this is right he goes no

3794
02:29:43,349 --> 02:29:39,680
i don't all the better i think it was

3795
02:29:45,110 --> 02:29:43,359
was it eddie van halen did we did did we

3796
02:29:47,670 --> 02:29:45,120
i can't remember now we've done so many

3797
02:29:48,950 --> 02:29:47,680
shows i know and i can't remember it was

3798
02:29:50,710 --> 02:29:48,960
that was probably about i don't know if

3799
02:29:52,070 --> 02:29:50,720
we can look that up but i i don't know i

3800
02:29:53,110 --> 02:29:52,080
i i don't know if it was that even haley

3801
02:29:54,389 --> 02:29:53,120
it might have been somebody else but

3802
02:29:56,230 --> 02:29:54,399
somebody that

3803
02:29:57,750 --> 02:29:56,240
one you wanted to talk to because i

3804
02:30:00,150 --> 02:29:57,760
guess you guys the guitar thing or

3805
02:30:01,510 --> 02:30:00,160
something but he used some terminology

3806
02:30:04,070 --> 02:30:01,520
that i don't you guys i don't know

3807
02:30:06,790 --> 02:30:04,080
anything about guitars right i

3808
02:30:11,429 --> 02:30:08,710
you know the fader knots need to let us

3809
02:30:12,950 --> 02:30:11,439
know who that was that was crazy that

3810
02:30:14,630 --> 02:30:12,960
was crazy i know nothing about this guy

3811
02:30:16,230 --> 02:30:14,640
and to me it's that's what's so amazing

3812
02:30:18,550 --> 02:30:16,240
about it people will come to me and say

3813
02:30:19,990 --> 02:30:18,560
uh this so-and-so or can you bring in

3814
02:30:20,950 --> 02:30:20,000
and also when somebody comes in that

3815
02:30:22,870 --> 02:30:20,960
they know

3816
02:30:24,790 --> 02:30:22,880
or a mother-in-law or somebody i'm like

3817
02:30:26,309 --> 02:30:24,800
i don't know this person and then i

3818
02:30:27,670 --> 02:30:26,319
start giving this accurate information

3819
02:30:30,389 --> 02:30:27,680
and stuff it's just

3820
02:30:32,469 --> 02:30:30,399
i'm blown away you guys i am blown away

3821
02:30:34,309 --> 02:30:32,479
but i gotta tell you i'm always very

3822
02:30:36,389 --> 02:30:34,319
grateful and i have such gratitude

3823
02:30:37,429 --> 02:30:36,399
towards it's the guides that i call them

3824
02:30:39,270 --> 02:30:37,439
i call them the guides the ones that

3825
02:30:41,830 --> 02:30:39,280
come through every single time now since

3826
02:30:42,870 --> 02:30:41,840
i met them in 1994 and since it says

3827
02:30:44,469 --> 02:30:42,880
they've been coming in every every

3828
02:30:46,389 --> 02:30:44,479
single time it's like they're the ones

3829
02:30:49,030 --> 02:30:46,399
that bring in now the the transition

3830
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people or the animals let's take our

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break right here this is fade to black i

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guess it's not the one and only karen a

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dolmen but we're going into overtime and

3834
02:31:01,030 --> 02:30:58,319
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class going down tonight with karen a

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break stay with us

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you're listening to jimmy church and

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[Music]

3944
02:36:32,550 --> 02:36:29,359
welcome back fade to black overtime with

3945
02:36:36,870 --> 02:36:32,560
karen dalman

3946
02:36:39,830 --> 02:36:38,150
you know what i just thought of

3947
02:36:41,590 --> 02:36:39,840
something karen

3948
02:36:43,590 --> 02:36:41,600
i just thought of

3949
02:36:46,389 --> 02:36:43,600
i'm not gonna be specific here i'm not

3950
02:36:48,150 --> 02:36:46,399
gonna i'm not gonna do that um

3951
02:36:49,670 --> 02:36:48,160
but uh

3952
02:37:05,670 --> 02:36:49,680
we

3953
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:05,680
i was the bass drum

3954
02:37:09,429 --> 02:37:06,960
oh yeah

3955
02:37:11,429 --> 02:37:09,439
and this went on for a while um i went

3956
02:37:13,030 --> 02:37:11,439
for a few hours we just kept going it

3957
02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:13,040
was so much fun

3958
02:37:17,750 --> 02:37:16,240
and uh and we were in the zone right and

3959
02:37:20,710 --> 02:37:17,760
and i'm not going to say what i'm not

3960
02:37:23,030 --> 02:37:20,720
going to do anything but karen

3961
02:37:25,590 --> 02:37:23,040
just blurts out

3962
02:37:29,030 --> 02:37:25,600
this thing and and and all of us just

3963
02:37:31,429 --> 02:37:29,040
like came out of the zone and went what

3964
02:37:34,309 --> 02:37:31,439
i'm going to cry i just did was it funny

3965
02:37:36,469 --> 02:37:34,319
is what wasn't it funny than anything

3966
02:37:39,429 --> 02:37:36,479
you know the thing is man we were all

3967
02:37:42,309 --> 02:37:39,439
caught up in it and uh and you were you

3968
02:37:44,230 --> 02:37:42,319
were in the zone man and your emotions

3969
02:37:46,469 --> 02:37:44,240
just came out and

3970
02:37:47,750 --> 02:37:46,479
and we laughed i got to tell you i'm

3971
02:37:49,510 --> 02:37:47,760
laughing now i'm laughing sorry i'm

3972
02:37:51,670 --> 02:37:49,520
crying i just started rattling and it

3973
02:37:53,670 --> 02:37:51,680
was humor i channel humor a lot and it

3974
02:37:56,389 --> 02:37:53,680
was just hysterical i just blurted this

3975
02:38:01,670 --> 02:37:58,950
you gave us three or four hours of

3976
02:38:04,710 --> 02:38:01,680
laughter after that

3977
02:38:06,550 --> 02:38:04,720
uh and i can't wait next time i see you

3978
02:38:08,550 --> 02:38:06,560
your word that's that's how i'm gonna

3979
02:38:10,710 --> 02:38:08,560
greet you i hope you know what we have

3980
02:38:12,790 --> 02:38:10,720
never talked about that but jimmy i

3981
02:38:14,469 --> 02:38:12,800
never forget that either that drumming

3982
02:38:16,469 --> 02:38:14,479
circle was fantastic

3983
02:38:18,150 --> 02:38:16,479
all of your fader knocks they're awesome

3984
02:38:19,670 --> 02:38:18,160
and then we just got in that zone and we

3985
02:38:21,190 --> 02:38:19,680
started doing i just did a solo i don't

3986
02:38:24,389 --> 02:38:21,200
i don't sing you guys but it was

3987
02:38:26,469 --> 02:38:24,399
hysterical well it's okay uh i'm gonna

3988
02:38:30,150 --> 02:38:26,479
tell everybody of

3989
02:38:32,389 --> 02:38:30,160
me what happened to me okay um

3990
02:38:35,110 --> 02:38:32,399
i walked by the dining room table i'm

3991
02:38:37,990 --> 02:38:35,120
getting an echo from you

3992
02:38:43,030 --> 02:38:41,349
yeah can you go down to your settings

3993
02:38:47,349 --> 02:38:43,040
yes

3994
02:38:51,349 --> 02:38:49,670
one of this is echoing it was

3995
02:38:52,870 --> 02:38:51,359
check but i'm going to check it again i

3996
02:38:54,230 --> 02:38:52,880
injected and checked it again is that

3997
02:38:56,710 --> 02:38:54,240
good is that

3998
02:39:00,150 --> 02:38:56,720
now it's gone okay good okay

3999
02:39:01,830 --> 02:39:00,160
so i go by the dining room table

4000
02:39:03,510 --> 02:39:01,840
and we had all this food it was

4001
02:39:05,270 --> 02:39:03,520
incredible right it was just awesome we

4002
02:39:07,190 --> 02:39:05,280
had this giant

4003
02:39:09,349 --> 02:39:07,200
dining room table that sat like 12

4004
02:39:10,950 --> 02:39:09,359
people and it was just covered with food

4005
02:39:13,670 --> 02:39:10,960
and i see

4006
02:39:16,309 --> 02:39:13,680
this chocolate bar and it's there and

4007
02:39:17,990 --> 02:39:16,319
it's you know and i went oh okay so i

4008
02:39:21,030 --> 02:39:18,000
broke off in the end of the chocolate

4009
02:39:23,190 --> 02:39:21,040
bar oh that's right yeah and i'm like

4010
02:39:25,830 --> 02:39:23,200
man that's good chocolate

4011
02:39:28,230 --> 02:39:25,840
and i went back and i broke off another

4012
02:39:31,590 --> 02:39:28,240
section and i ate it it's like a half

4013
02:39:34,389 --> 02:39:31,600
hour later somebody comes in and goes

4014
02:39:40,309 --> 02:39:34,399
who ate all the cannabis chocolate

4015
02:39:45,030 --> 02:39:43,270
and i said uh sorry

4016
02:39:47,030 --> 02:39:45,040
yeah yeah true story i said what

4017
02:39:50,389 --> 02:39:47,040
chocolate on the dining room table you

4018
02:39:51,910 --> 02:39:50,399
mean that yeah that was that was

4019
02:39:54,469 --> 02:39:51,920
i didn't have any of that chocolate i

4020
02:39:58,150 --> 02:39:54,479
just get in the zone from drumming well

4021
02:40:00,710 --> 02:39:58,160
and and and it was too late for me

4022
02:40:03,270 --> 02:40:00,720
but what freaked me out was the person

4023
02:40:05,030 --> 02:40:03,280
that put that chocolate bar there said

4024
02:40:06,790 --> 02:40:05,040
how much did you eat i said well i broke

4025
02:40:09,190 --> 02:40:06,800
off an end i broke you were only

4026
02:40:10,070 --> 02:40:09,200
supposed to eat this much right and you

4027
02:40:12,550 --> 02:40:10,080
were like

4028
02:40:14,230 --> 02:40:12,560
i like two yeah you were eating chunks

4029
02:40:16,389 --> 02:40:14,240
of it yeah i was like i didn't know i

4030
02:40:18,070 --> 02:40:16,399
did either jimmy but you're just

4031
02:40:20,950 --> 02:40:18,080
jimmy's fun let me just say it's gonna

4032
02:40:23,429 --> 02:40:20,960
be fun and i haven't uh i haven't done

4033
02:40:26,230 --> 02:40:23,439
anything like that in like 10 15 years

4034
02:40:32,550 --> 02:40:28,309
oh then i panicked

4035
02:40:35,030 --> 02:40:32,560
but anyway so then a couple hours later

4036
02:40:37,110 --> 02:40:35,040
i was i was the base drum in the drum

4037
02:40:39,030 --> 02:40:37,120
circle yeah it was great man it was it

4038
02:40:39,830 --> 02:40:39,040
was a lot of fun okay i want to talk

4039
02:40:45,190 --> 02:40:39,840
about

4040
02:40:49,750 --> 02:40:47,830
have well you have channeled celebrities

4041
02:40:51,349 --> 02:40:49,760
oh by the way the answer was eddie van

4042
02:40:54,230 --> 02:40:51,359
halen oh my god

4043
02:40:55,830 --> 02:40:54,240
okay is eddie van halen um

4044
02:40:58,870 --> 02:40:55,840
uh do

4045
02:41:01,670 --> 02:40:58,880
do people want to do that um and go you

4046
02:41:03,910 --> 02:41:01,680
know let's go with uh you know elvis the

4047
02:41:06,710 --> 02:41:03,920
movies coming out this friday have you

4048
02:41:08,309 --> 02:41:06,720
ever channeled elvis as he

4049
02:41:09,510 --> 02:41:08,319
no you guys i'm not interested in

4050
02:41:12,630 --> 02:41:09,520
celebrities

4051
02:41:15,590 --> 02:41:12,640
because you asked on your show and i

4052
02:41:16,389 --> 02:41:15,600
that so i don't that's not my thing um

4053
02:41:18,309 --> 02:41:16,399
you know

4054
02:41:20,150 --> 02:41:18,319
people like no is more want to want a

4055
02:41:22,309 --> 02:41:20,160
channel or spirit guides are cryptids

4056
02:41:23,830 --> 02:41:22,319
now i'm into cryptids and animals that's

4057
02:41:26,550 --> 02:41:23,840
kind of a different thing but i know

4058
02:41:29,269 --> 02:41:26,560
people who do nothing but channel

4059
02:41:31,030 --> 02:41:29,279
through the board famous people

4060
02:41:33,110 --> 02:41:31,040
and they love doing that

4061
02:41:35,110 --> 02:41:33,120
um barry strome's one another friend of

4062
02:41:37,190 --> 02:41:35,120
mine i can't say her name but that's all

4063
02:41:39,510 --> 02:41:37,200
they do and i and my thing i'm not into

4064
02:41:42,389 --> 02:41:39,520
it i really don't care i i like

4065
02:41:44,309 --> 02:41:42,399
channeling if you say um it's my

4066
02:41:46,469 --> 02:41:44,319
mother's brother who just passed or he

4067
02:41:48,950 --> 02:41:46,479
messaged like like woman's sister or

4068
02:41:51,590 --> 02:41:48,960
hector just random people coming through

4069
02:41:53,349 --> 02:41:51,600
but i i my special you guys is more

4070
02:41:54,309 --> 02:41:53,359
meeting extraterrestrials talking to

4071
02:41:57,510 --> 02:41:54,319
them

4072
02:41:59,590 --> 02:41:57,520
spirit guides angels or information

4073
02:42:02,070 --> 02:41:59,600
about you and your life um and then

4074
02:42:03,750 --> 02:42:02,080
maybe your pets that's what i do that to

4075
02:42:06,230 --> 02:42:03,760
me that's famous enough

4076
02:42:10,389 --> 02:42:06,240
now with um everything that's happening

4077
02:42:12,870 --> 02:42:10,399
right now uh with ufos and uaps and the

4078
02:42:15,510 --> 02:42:12,880
government and and

4079
02:42:18,950 --> 02:42:15,520
uh harvard university and avi lope you

4080
02:42:22,070 --> 02:42:18,960
know everything is is ufos these days

4081
02:42:23,590 --> 02:42:22,080
uh what what information is 2022 the

4082
02:42:26,710 --> 02:42:23,600
year what kind of information are you

4083
02:42:28,389 --> 02:42:26,720
getting about that all right so um okay

4084
02:42:32,309 --> 02:42:28,399
so when they first started coming to me

4085
02:42:33,349 --> 02:42:32,319
that was in 19 uh it was a after 1989

4086
02:42:34,950 --> 02:42:33,359
because that's when we started talking

4087
02:42:35,990 --> 02:42:34,960
to our higher selves for about four

4088
02:42:37,750 --> 02:42:36,000
years and that's when the

4089
02:42:39,670 --> 02:42:37,760
extraterrestrials started coming in i

4090
02:42:40,790 --> 02:42:39,680
was like this is weird i don't i don't

4091
02:42:43,110 --> 02:42:40,800
know if i buy this i don't know what to

4092
02:42:45,670 --> 02:42:43,120
do with it it was out of sorts so it

4093
02:42:46,630 --> 02:42:45,680
wasn't until about in the 2000s where i

4094
02:42:48,630 --> 02:42:46,640
started getting more into the

4095
02:42:51,030 --> 02:42:48,640
extraterrestrials um and i'm talking

4096
02:42:53,349 --> 02:42:51,040
about um extraterrestrials are like not

4097
02:42:55,830 --> 02:42:53,359
even our solar system or some that we

4098
02:42:58,070 --> 02:42:55,840
rep we recognize or some that are like

4099
02:43:00,389 --> 02:42:58,080
an ultra um what would you call

4100
02:43:01,990 --> 02:43:00,399
alternative realities there's humans

4101
02:43:04,550 --> 02:43:02,000
there but there are also other species

4102
02:43:06,309 --> 02:43:04,560
there so what i this is what i keep

4103
02:43:08,230 --> 02:43:06,319
hearing and i and i hear this from the

4104
02:43:09,750 --> 02:43:08,240
guides and it's not so much on the board

4105
02:43:11,910 --> 02:43:09,760
although i've talked to different 18

4106
02:43:13,750 --> 02:43:11,920
races on the board they they hate

4107
02:43:15,830 --> 02:43:13,760
talking that way they said the best way

4108
02:43:17,590 --> 02:43:15,840
for us is to come and do downloads in

4109
02:43:19,269 --> 02:43:17,600
your dreams or just to come to you

4110
02:43:21,269 --> 02:43:19,279
directly and i'll usually hear them and

4111
02:43:22,870 --> 02:43:21,279
feel them and i've seen some things i've

4112
02:43:24,070 --> 02:43:22,880
seen some really interesting things

4113
02:43:26,469 --> 02:43:24,080
that's for a whole nother show i'm not

4114
02:43:31,030 --> 02:43:26,479
ready to quite go there but i will say

4115
02:43:32,469 --> 02:43:31,040
that i'm hearing 2023 2023 the 2025

4116
02:43:34,790 --> 02:43:32,479
and it's funny i've been hearing that

4117
02:43:35,990 --> 02:43:34,800
for a while like maybe 10 years and i'm

4118
02:43:37,910 --> 02:43:36,000
starting to hear other people start to

4119
02:43:39,510 --> 02:43:37,920
mimic and say that i haven't said that

4120
02:43:42,150 --> 02:43:39,520
public ever but that's what i'm hearing

4121
02:43:44,710 --> 02:43:42,160
for in terms of a little more solid

4122
02:43:46,230 --> 02:43:44,720
disclosure not just oh here's a tic tac

4123
02:43:47,910 --> 02:43:46,240
video and here's this and here's that

4124
02:43:49,510 --> 02:43:47,920
but where there's something more like

4125
02:43:50,870 --> 02:43:49,520
you're going to believe it more so where

4126
02:43:52,870 --> 02:43:50,880
there's a lot more

4127
02:43:55,670 --> 02:43:52,880
weird lights in the skies i'm not

4128
02:43:56,790 --> 02:43:55,680
talking about tr3bs in our own crafts

4129
02:43:59,349 --> 02:43:56,800
i'm talking about things that are beyond

4130
02:44:01,269 --> 02:43:59,359
that i will say this a lot of people i

4131
02:44:03,190 --> 02:44:01,279
know again i'm on the fringe of the

4132
02:44:05,110 --> 02:44:03,200
paranormal i go to conferences and i

4133
02:44:07,349 --> 02:44:05,120
speak and i have a lot of friends who do

4134
02:44:09,590 --> 02:44:07,359
are interested in this kind of stuff

4135
02:44:12,070 --> 02:44:09,600
that they are telling me that

4136
02:44:12,870 --> 02:44:12,080
a lot of these people are seeing things

4137
02:44:14,710 --> 02:44:12,880
and

4138
02:44:17,030 --> 02:44:14,720
seeing these beings

4139
02:44:18,790 --> 02:44:17,040
with their eyes or in dreams they're

4140
02:44:20,630 --> 02:44:18,800
having a lot more encounters so it's

4141
02:44:22,230 --> 02:44:20,640
happening but it's more like a grass

4142
02:44:23,750 --> 02:44:22,240
root movement and i know a lot of people

4143
02:44:25,590 --> 02:44:23,760
on your show are talking to you about

4144
02:44:27,830 --> 02:44:25,600
that and i've had some experiences very

4145
02:44:29,309 --> 02:44:27,840
much like that where it's in the flesh

4146
02:44:36,790 --> 02:44:29,319
um

4147
02:44:38,550 --> 02:44:36,800
2023 to 2025 it's so you could just say

4148
02:44:41,269 --> 02:44:38,560
the average is 2024. but somewhere

4149
02:44:43,269 --> 02:44:41,279
between that period to 2025 you're gonna

4150
02:44:44,950 --> 02:44:43,279
see a lot more things the thing is this

4151
02:44:47,349 --> 02:44:44,960
this is what i this is what i've heard

4152
02:44:48,870 --> 02:44:47,359
we have to clean up ourselves first the

4153
02:44:50,870 --> 02:44:48,880
way we treat each other the way we are

4154
02:44:52,790 --> 02:44:50,880
in the world and this is nothing new we

4155
02:44:55,190 --> 02:44:52,800
all know this many people have come

4156
02:44:57,590 --> 02:44:55,200
forward over the years and have said the

4157
02:44:59,269 --> 02:44:57,600
same thing we're too much of a warfare

4158
02:45:00,389 --> 02:44:59,279
kind of society and we're too much

4159
02:45:01,990 --> 02:45:00,399
judgmental and we're going to shoot them

4160
02:45:03,510 --> 02:45:02,000
down or capture it or not want to

4161
02:45:05,510 --> 02:45:03,520
believe it and

4162
02:45:08,710 --> 02:45:05,520
really the psyche and the consciousness

4163
02:45:11,190 --> 02:45:08,720
of humanity is not all quite there now i

4164
02:45:14,150 --> 02:45:11,200
know everybody here is there but not the

4165
02:45:17,670 --> 02:45:14,160
rest of the mass ambassadors of cultures

4166
02:45:20,870 --> 02:45:17,680
around the world um through with the

4167
02:45:22,550 --> 02:45:20,880
coveted stuff um the vaccine all the

4168
02:45:24,870 --> 02:45:22,560
stuff that's really taking away our

4169
02:45:27,269 --> 02:45:24,880
sovereignty and also taking away our

4170
02:45:28,950 --> 02:45:27,279
freedoms that's we have to get back to

4171
02:45:31,670 --> 02:45:28,960
where we can feel free and like we're

4172
02:45:32,870 --> 02:45:31,680
not giving up our free will for them to

4173
02:45:35,510 --> 02:45:32,880
come through because the last thing they

4174
02:45:37,110 --> 02:45:35,520
want us to do is just see them as a god

4175
02:45:38,630 --> 02:45:37,120
which they've always which our cultures

4176
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:38,640
have always seen in the past they're

4177
02:45:41,990 --> 02:45:39,840
above us they're beyond us they're

4178
02:45:44,230 --> 02:45:42,000
better the truth is they look at us that

4179
02:45:46,389 --> 02:45:44,240
we are just as inspiring to them and

4180
02:45:47,429 --> 02:45:46,399
they tell me this as we think they are

4181
02:45:49,110 --> 02:45:47,439
to us because because of their

4182
02:45:51,670 --> 02:45:49,120
technology but they're saying no you

4183
02:45:54,469 --> 02:45:51,680
have so much more um that we don't even

4184
02:45:56,630 --> 02:45:54,479
understand so it's we've got to get back

4185
02:45:58,950 --> 02:45:56,640
into our sovereignty and know that we

4186
02:46:00,790 --> 02:45:58,960
are um this is what i was my mission

4187
02:46:02,469 --> 02:46:00,800
statement teach everybody that they have

4188
02:46:04,790 --> 02:46:02,479
this ability to tap into the universal

4189
02:46:07,110 --> 02:46:04,800
source and feel strong within yourself

4190
02:46:08,710 --> 02:46:07,120
centered within yourself first and once

4191
02:46:11,030 --> 02:46:08,720
you can do that it's better for them

4192
02:46:13,590 --> 02:46:11,040
these other beans that are so different

4193
02:46:15,510 --> 02:46:13,600
than us in many ways and technologically

4194
02:46:17,990 --> 02:46:15,520
advance and have these ships and stuff

4195
02:46:20,230 --> 02:46:18,000
or don't even use ships for them to come

4196
02:46:22,469 --> 02:46:20,240
to us because we won't go oh they're

4197
02:46:23,590 --> 02:46:22,479
better than us and let's worship them

4198
02:46:25,349 --> 02:46:23,600
and that is what's been going on

4199
02:46:28,309 --> 02:46:25,359
throughout the ages we gotta we gotta

4200
02:46:30,710 --> 02:46:28,319
change that the planet has been at war

4201
02:46:32,070 --> 02:46:30,720
for over five thousand years

4202
02:46:36,630 --> 02:46:32,080
forever

4203
02:46:39,269 --> 02:46:36,640
um are you suggesting that uh at least

4204
02:46:40,790 --> 02:46:39,279
the beings that you've been in contact

4205
02:46:43,110 --> 02:46:40,800
with

4206
02:46:46,389 --> 02:46:43,120
they're not interested in war

4207
02:46:47,830 --> 02:46:46,399
right now no no no no not in a war

4208
02:46:49,429 --> 02:46:47,840
they're curious

4209
02:46:51,429 --> 02:46:49,439
um they want to explore they want to

4210
02:46:53,349 --> 02:46:51,439
have treaties they want us to be

4211
02:46:56,150 --> 02:46:53,359
come back and be part of their brethren

4212
02:46:58,150 --> 02:46:56,160
of space brethren if you will um

4213
02:46:59,990 --> 02:46:58,160
there are i've i have not met an ugly

4214
02:47:02,710 --> 02:47:00,000
one now when i was a child i will say

4215
02:47:03,750 --> 02:47:02,720
this i didn't quite understand and i had

4216
02:47:06,950 --> 02:47:03,760
contact

4217
02:47:09,590 --> 02:47:06,960
ouija board you guys this is like since

4218
02:47:11,110 --> 02:47:09,600
i was young i was seeing things and um i

4219
02:47:13,750 --> 02:47:11,120
didn't quite understand it and it was

4220
02:47:16,790 --> 02:47:13,760
scary to me so in my mind because my

4221
02:47:17,990 --> 02:47:16,800
filters and perception was this is scary

4222
02:47:19,190 --> 02:47:18,000
it was until i got a little bit older

4223
02:47:21,590 --> 02:47:19,200
and i could put it in some kind of

4224
02:47:23,429 --> 02:47:21,600
perspective of a widening view of the

4225
02:47:24,870 --> 02:47:23,439
world that i was able to see oh i

4226
02:47:26,389 --> 02:47:24,880
understand now

4227
02:47:27,750 --> 02:47:26,399
and the spirit guides i work with

4228
02:47:29,830 --> 02:47:27,760
weren't going to give me all the

4229
02:47:31,269 --> 02:47:29,840
information they had me learn to go

4230
02:47:33,030 --> 02:47:31,279
through it and have these experiences

4231
02:47:34,630 --> 02:47:33,040
with different beings

4232
02:47:35,990 --> 02:47:34,640
and what we would call them

4233
02:47:37,990 --> 02:47:36,000
extraterrestrials they really aren't

4234
02:47:40,630 --> 02:47:38,000
they're just other beings from other

4235
02:47:42,469 --> 02:47:40,640
galaxies or other parallel universes or

4236
02:47:44,550 --> 02:47:42,479
different planets or in inner planets or

4237
02:47:46,630 --> 02:47:44,560
whatever there's other beings species

4238
02:47:48,550 --> 02:47:46,640
that it's like i had to experience that

4239
02:47:50,870 --> 02:47:48,560
and put it into a new perspective

4240
02:47:52,230 --> 02:47:50,880
as i grew spiritually and that's what

4241
02:47:54,389 --> 02:47:52,240
they're wait they're waiting for us to

4242
02:47:57,830 --> 02:47:54,399
wake up and right now you guys this is

4243
02:48:00,309 --> 02:47:57,840
such an incredible time to be alive um

4244
02:48:02,710 --> 02:48:00,319
since the harmonic convergence in 1987

4245
02:48:04,150 --> 02:48:02,720
and forward everybody goes oh 2012. well

4246
02:48:05,910 --> 02:48:04,160
that was that was the end of a mayan

4247
02:48:07,429 --> 02:48:05,920
calendar that was one culture

4248
02:48:09,110 --> 02:48:07,439
that might have noticed that but we're

4249
02:48:11,110 --> 02:48:09,120
talking 1987 with the harmonic

4250
02:48:13,750 --> 02:48:11,120
convergence which i remember and it was

4251
02:48:15,349 --> 02:48:13,760
the energy was shifting massively and at

4252
02:48:17,269 --> 02:48:15,359
that time it was like we were

4253
02:48:19,190 --> 02:48:17,279
people say the veil was thinner

4254
02:48:20,790 --> 02:48:19,200
what it was is that we started realizing

4255
02:48:23,990 --> 02:48:20,800
as you mentioned earlier jimmy with the

4256
02:48:25,670 --> 02:48:24,000
esp and psychokinesis and the abilities

4257
02:48:27,910 --> 02:48:25,680
we started being more open to these

4258
02:48:30,230 --> 02:48:27,920
abilities and we could speak about them

4259
02:48:32,630 --> 02:48:30,240
that allowed us to waken up to our own

4260
02:48:35,030 --> 02:48:32,640
inner abilities and proclivities to do

4261
02:48:37,590 --> 02:48:35,040
our own kind of psychic work if you will

4262
02:48:38,469 --> 02:48:37,600
but the first senses started developing

4263
02:48:41,750 --> 02:48:38,479
um

4264
02:48:44,150 --> 02:48:41,760
waiting for it's not that we're ever

4265
02:48:45,830 --> 02:48:44,160
going to be peaceful probably in our day

4266
02:48:47,349 --> 02:48:45,840
but it's the fact that you know we

4267
02:48:49,750 --> 02:48:47,359
always get a judge and fight that's part

4268
02:48:51,990 --> 02:48:49,760
of being in this planet it's dualism and

4269
02:48:54,710 --> 02:48:52,000
looking at the differences and and

4270
02:48:57,670 --> 02:48:54,720
always fighting the differences but it's

4271
02:48:59,590 --> 02:48:57,680
for us if enough of us awaken

4272
02:49:00,870 --> 02:48:59,600
within here and that's what my message

4273
02:49:03,349 --> 02:49:00,880
is again you guys it's not about using

4274
02:49:05,990 --> 02:49:03,359
the ouija board it's about tapping into

4275
02:49:07,990 --> 02:49:06,000
these incredible beings that love us or

4276
02:49:10,309 --> 02:49:08,000
god consciousness or source or all that

4277
02:49:13,030 --> 02:49:10,319
is and learning that you are extension

4278
02:49:15,830 --> 02:49:13,040
of that and we can get empowered and

4279
02:49:17,190 --> 02:49:15,840
centered in that that's actually when

4280
02:49:18,710 --> 02:49:17,200
they can come because they're gonna

4281
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:18,720
realize we're not gonna go

4282
02:49:23,190 --> 02:49:20,560
oh save us

4283
02:49:27,190 --> 02:49:23,200
nobody's here to save us but ourselves

4284
02:49:29,190 --> 02:49:27,200
not no politician no leader no guru it's

4285
02:49:31,590 --> 02:49:29,200
ourselves and they don't want to be the

4286
02:49:33,990 --> 02:49:31,600
next leader or guru because they've done

4287
02:49:35,590 --> 02:49:34,000
that many times over the ages they want

4288
02:49:37,910 --> 02:49:35,600
to come back this time and they are

4289
02:49:39,429 --> 02:49:37,920
coming to people many people i know are

4290
02:49:41,510 --> 02:49:39,439
good having these experiences they're

4291
02:49:43,110 --> 02:49:41,520
very trustworthy believable people and

4292
02:49:45,190 --> 02:49:43,120
you guys know them too you're probably

4293
02:49:46,870 --> 02:49:45,200
some of them yourself in here because

4294
02:49:47,990 --> 02:49:46,880
you would not be interested in all this

4295
02:49:50,710 --> 02:49:48,000
stuff if you didn't have your own

4296
02:49:52,389 --> 02:49:50,720
experiences of awakening that is what

4297
02:49:54,309 --> 02:49:52,399
they're waiting for jimmy is that's the

4298
02:49:57,429 --> 02:49:54,319
inner awakening

4299
02:49:59,990 --> 02:49:57,439
that's uh that's fascinating uh to me

4300
02:50:03,190 --> 02:50:00,000
and in a strange way

4301
02:50:05,670 --> 02:50:03,200
i think that the proof is there uh for

4302
02:50:07,190 --> 02:50:05,680
that type of example or statement in

4303
02:50:10,070 --> 02:50:07,200
that

4304
02:50:12,230 --> 02:50:10,080
quite honestly uh any advanced

4305
02:50:14,469 --> 02:50:12,240
civilization uh

4306
02:50:16,790 --> 02:50:14,479
you know more advanced than us

4307
02:50:18,870 --> 02:50:16,800
if they wanted to show us a bad time

4308
02:50:20,389 --> 02:50:18,880
yeah we would know it

4309
02:50:21,110 --> 02:50:20,399
and there would be nothing that we could

4310
02:50:22,790 --> 02:50:21,120
do

4311
02:50:24,389 --> 02:50:22,800
you and i would not be here right now i

4312
02:50:26,230 --> 02:50:24,399
would be obliterated if they wanted to

4313
02:50:27,990 --> 02:50:26,240
do that to us it's not that yeah there's

4314
02:50:29,190 --> 02:50:28,000
some con listen everything's not pie in

4315
02:50:31,110 --> 02:50:29,200
the sky there is some controlling

4316
02:50:32,389 --> 02:50:31,120
agendas out there we see it in our own

4317
02:50:34,389 --> 02:50:32,399
species it's always out there in

4318
02:50:36,309 --> 02:50:34,399
different species it's out there okay

4319
02:50:38,070 --> 02:50:36,319
sure i want to be clear about that and

4320
02:50:39,990 --> 02:50:38,080
it's even doing this work with the board

4321
02:50:41,750 --> 02:50:40,000
or any kind of channeling there's you

4322
02:50:44,150 --> 02:50:41,760
always get this dualistic nature that's

4323
02:50:45,590 --> 02:50:44,160
going to always be there um but it's

4324
02:50:47,269 --> 02:50:45,600
really about us awakening that that

4325
02:50:48,710 --> 02:50:47,279
dualism is within ourself and how are we

4326
02:50:49,990 --> 02:50:48,720
going to work with it

4327
02:50:51,750 --> 02:50:50,000
are we going to fight it are we going to

4328
02:50:53,269 --> 02:50:51,760
let this side win out where you want to

4329
02:50:54,950 --> 02:50:53,279
be all negative because remember we

4330
02:50:57,030 --> 02:50:54,960
talked about this earlier

4331
02:50:58,469 --> 02:50:57,040
where do you want your energy to go you

4332
02:51:00,230 --> 02:50:58,479
know where it goes is where it's going

4333
02:51:01,590 --> 02:51:00,240
to flow and so do you want to be more

4334
02:51:03,269 --> 02:51:01,600
negative thinking like how are you going

4335
02:51:05,030 --> 02:51:03,279
to use that gun or do you want to use it

4336
02:51:06,870 --> 02:51:05,040
more responsibly and that's that's what

4337
02:51:08,550 --> 02:51:06,880
we're talking about here and that's when

4338
02:51:09,910 --> 02:51:08,560
they have an ability to come through and

4339
02:51:11,750 --> 02:51:09,920
a lot of people that are meeting them

4340
02:51:13,750 --> 02:51:11,760
are people that are really

4341
02:51:14,950 --> 02:51:13,760
trying to work with these energies none

4342
02:51:16,230 --> 02:51:14,960
of us are perfect that are having these

4343
02:51:18,469 --> 02:51:16,240
experiences

4344
02:51:20,389 --> 02:51:18,479
some of it is by happenstance but it's

4345
02:51:22,230 --> 02:51:20,399
the fact that we're at least open to it

4346
02:51:23,590 --> 02:51:22,240
to happen and i find that more and more

4347
02:51:25,670 --> 02:51:23,600
people are not as scared of it although

4348
02:51:27,349 --> 02:51:25,680
i do meet people who have had some

4349
02:51:28,950 --> 02:51:27,359
experiences that are just

4350
02:51:31,750 --> 02:51:28,960
terrible from what from what they

4351
02:51:34,070 --> 02:51:31,760
remember i had that as a child but i can

4352
02:51:35,910 --> 02:51:34,080
also tell you it starts transforming for

4353
02:51:37,590 --> 02:51:35,920
them as well but not not everybody's

4354
02:51:38,870 --> 02:51:37,600
there the last thing they want to do is

4355
02:51:40,870 --> 02:51:38,880
these different beings to come whether

4356
02:51:43,190 --> 02:51:40,880
it's sasquatch stepping into the public

4357
02:51:45,750 --> 02:51:43,200
eye where it's the

4358
02:51:47,510 --> 02:51:45,760
mantis beans or the tall grays or the

4359
02:51:48,870 --> 02:51:47,520
palladians they don't want us to go

4360
02:51:50,630 --> 02:51:48,880
should we fear you because you look so

4361
02:51:52,230 --> 02:51:50,640
different than us or should we just

4362
02:51:53,990 --> 02:51:52,240
embrace you because you're so cool i

4363
02:51:56,630 --> 02:51:54,000
mean what is it they want us to go well

4364
02:51:57,990 --> 02:51:56,640
let's meet and let's have talks and

4365
02:51:59,910 --> 02:51:58,000
figure out how we can maybe live

4366
02:52:01,510 --> 02:51:59,920
together i'll share something else jimmy

4367
02:52:02,950 --> 02:52:01,520
that the guides have told me and the

4368
02:52:05,590 --> 02:52:02,960
guides are the beings that i talk to

4369
02:52:07,190 --> 02:52:05,600
they are basically source energy

4370
02:52:09,269 --> 02:52:07,200
extension of source

4371
02:52:10,950 --> 02:52:09,279
and we are as well but we forgot they

4372
02:52:12,710 --> 02:52:10,960
know they are and they're light beans

4373
02:52:14,469 --> 02:52:12,720
and what they say is they say earth is

4374
02:52:17,349 --> 02:52:14,479
really unique in that

4375
02:52:19,670 --> 02:52:17,359
every different species beings that are

4376
02:52:21,349 --> 02:52:19,680
out there all over different galaxies

4377
02:52:23,990 --> 02:52:21,359
universes whatever

4378
02:52:26,230 --> 02:52:24,000
inner planetary they've all placed their

4379
02:52:27,830 --> 02:52:26,240
calling card here so that's what we're

4380
02:52:29,910 --> 02:52:27,840
so diverse with all these different

4381
02:52:31,990 --> 02:52:29,920
beings so when you see like an aquatic

4382
02:52:33,590 --> 02:52:32,000
animal dolphins they're they actually

4383
02:52:35,190 --> 02:52:33,600
have their start somewhere else

4384
02:52:37,590 --> 02:52:35,200
everybody came here and seated and

4385
02:52:40,710 --> 02:52:37,600
brought an aspect to them here to be

4386
02:52:42,870 --> 02:52:40,720
reminder to us to help us awaken to

4387
02:52:45,750 --> 02:52:42,880
these different beings that were from

4388
02:52:47,429 --> 02:52:45,760
all over were all star star beans so the

4389
02:52:49,510 --> 02:52:47,439
mantis beans brought the they're praying

4390
02:52:50,870 --> 02:52:49,520
madness it's their calling card it's so

4391
02:52:52,230 --> 02:52:50,880
these kind of things you can look at and

4392
02:52:53,750 --> 02:52:52,240
go um

4393
02:52:55,349 --> 02:52:53,760
we're all from the stars we're all made

4394
02:52:57,670 --> 02:52:55,359
from the stars but they brought that

4395
02:53:02,309 --> 02:52:57,680
here to experiment what their kind of

4396
02:53:06,309 --> 02:53:02,319
species could be to live here with us

4397
02:53:08,790 --> 02:53:06,319
how about a couple of questions i i i

4398
02:53:11,990 --> 02:53:08,800
meant to ask you earlier

4399
02:53:15,030 --> 02:53:12,000
how who decides when to end a session

4400
02:53:16,870 --> 02:53:15,040
and not only that um have you ever tried

4401
02:53:17,830 --> 02:53:16,880
to end a session

4402
02:53:19,750 --> 02:53:17,840
and

4403
02:53:21,830 --> 02:53:19,760
they said no

4404
02:53:23,670 --> 02:53:21,840
well you're right that's good um i've

4405
02:53:25,830 --> 02:53:23,680
had some that said um we're not done we

4406
02:53:27,429 --> 02:53:25,840
still have communications to go and for

4407
02:53:30,389 --> 02:53:27,439
me and we've talked about this before

4408
02:53:32,070 --> 02:53:30,399
jimmy i get a high from this work that i

4409
02:53:33,590 --> 02:53:32,080
could go for hours and i can do five

4410
02:53:35,510 --> 02:53:33,600
five and a half hours at the board no

4411
02:53:37,590 --> 02:53:35,520
problem it's usually my partner that's a

4412
02:53:39,429 --> 02:53:37,600
limitation and for them it's like three

4413
02:53:41,830 --> 02:53:39,439
hours or two hours or one hour that's

4414
02:53:43,910 --> 02:53:41,840
about all they can do um so what i find

4415
02:53:45,510 --> 02:53:43,920
is we i might say okay we get it closed

4416
02:53:47,590 --> 02:53:45,520
now and i've

4417
02:53:49,910 --> 02:53:47,600
not the guides the guides will

4418
02:53:51,990 --> 02:53:49,920
stop when i'm ready to stop or they'll

4419
02:53:53,830 --> 02:53:52,000
go as long as i want to go but when i

4420
02:53:56,070 --> 02:53:53,840
bring in like let's say hector it was

4421
02:53:58,070 --> 02:53:56,080
more like his energy was was decreasing

4422
02:53:59,349 --> 02:53:58,080
he could only go for so long and i've

4423
02:54:02,230 --> 02:53:59,359
have others that come through and go

4424
02:54:04,950 --> 02:54:02,240
wait i got more to say and i'll say cool

4425
02:54:06,950 --> 02:54:04,960
uh we'll do it again in three days

4426
02:54:09,670 --> 02:54:06,960
you know or or you can come to me on my

4427
02:54:11,349 --> 02:54:09,680
off when i'm not not when i'm on my off

4428
02:54:14,230 --> 02:54:11,359
time but when i'm on again to do this

4429
02:54:16,309 --> 02:54:14,240
work board channeling whatever so i set

4430
02:54:19,190 --> 02:54:16,319
up those boundaries and i did that early

4431
02:54:20,309 --> 02:54:19,200
early on that's like this is basic 101

4432
02:54:21,670 --> 02:54:20,319
is setting up those boundaries when

4433
02:54:24,469 --> 02:54:21,680
you're gonna do this work

4434
02:54:25,910 --> 02:54:24,479
yeah what about uh uh

4435
02:54:29,030 --> 02:54:25,920
doing

4436
02:54:31,349 --> 02:54:29,040
this by yourself do you ever

4437
02:54:35,590 --> 02:54:31,359
uh ouija by yourself

4438
02:54:37,750 --> 02:54:35,600
i do i'm not as good by myself um i

4439
02:54:39,670 --> 02:54:37,760
wait wait why is that

4440
02:54:41,110 --> 02:54:39,680
i'll tell you why it was 39 years i

4441
02:54:42,469 --> 02:54:41,120
always used a partner

4442
02:54:44,150 --> 02:54:42,479
it was in the last 10 years i started

4443
02:54:46,790 --> 02:54:44,160
using it by myself

4444
02:54:48,150 --> 02:54:46,800
when i because i learned you guys are so

4445
02:54:50,469 --> 02:54:48,160
ingrained in me to use a partner and

4446
02:54:52,230 --> 02:54:50,479
that's what the box said you have a male

4447
02:54:53,110 --> 02:54:52,240
female preferably or sit across from

4448
02:54:56,230 --> 02:54:53,120
your partner it was always about

4449
02:54:58,550 --> 02:54:56,240
partners you know and so um but then i

4450
02:55:01,510 --> 02:54:58,560
decided when i was 39 10 years ago to

4451
02:55:04,150 --> 02:55:01,520
start exploring that and i can do it

4452
02:55:05,190 --> 02:55:04,160
it's slow it's not like you see rodney

4453
02:55:09,590 --> 02:55:05,200
and i do

4454
02:55:11,830 --> 02:55:09,600
and i have a harder time letting go

4455
02:55:14,389 --> 02:55:11,840
but when when i do my readings and if i

4456
02:55:15,910 --> 02:55:14,399
use cards or a channel i have an easier

4457
02:55:17,750 --> 02:55:15,920
time to let go it's easier for me off

4458
02:55:19,349 --> 02:55:17,760
the board to do it alone than is to do

4459
02:55:21,429 --> 02:55:19,359
it on the board if that makes any sense

4460
02:55:23,030 --> 02:55:21,439
it's weird but a lot of people

4461
02:55:25,190 --> 02:55:23,040
that are older meaning you've been doing

4462
02:55:26,309 --> 02:55:25,200
it since 70s or whatever we learned to

4463
02:55:27,910 --> 02:55:26,319
do it with a partner and so it was

4464
02:55:29,670 --> 02:55:27,920
harder for us to get off the board now i

4465
02:55:31,590 --> 02:55:29,680
do meet a lot of people who can use it

4466
02:55:34,389 --> 02:55:31,600
on their own and they're like that i'm

4467
02:55:36,309 --> 02:55:34,399
not that good but i will get messages

4468
02:55:41,030 --> 02:55:36,319
now

4469
02:55:45,030 --> 02:55:42,870
answer this as quick as you can so we

4470
02:55:48,150 --> 02:55:45,040
don't run out of time okay

4471
02:55:49,269 --> 02:55:48,160
if you are bi okay when you

4472
02:55:51,510 --> 02:55:49,279
when you're

4473
02:55:53,910 --> 02:55:51,520
i don't want to i almost said doing the

4474
02:55:55,429 --> 02:55:53,920
board when you're doing the board is

4475
02:55:58,870 --> 02:55:55,439
okay

4476
02:56:02,950 --> 02:55:58,880
you're doing the board by yourself

4477
02:56:04,950 --> 02:56:02,960
you are asking your that you're doing it

4478
02:56:07,429 --> 02:56:04,960
for yourself right you're not doing it

4479
02:56:09,750 --> 02:56:07,439
for somebody else you're not i i have a

4480
02:56:11,670 --> 02:56:09,760
little bit i'm i usually when i do

4481
02:56:13,590 --> 02:56:11,680
myself i'm talking to the guides because

4482
02:56:16,230 --> 02:56:13,600
they're the strongest of energy for me

4483
02:56:18,150 --> 02:56:16,240
to discern and feel it come through i

4484
02:56:19,510 --> 02:56:18,160
work with them a lot off the board where

4485
02:56:21,190 --> 02:56:19,520
i can feel them and i know like they're

4486
02:56:23,190 --> 02:56:21,200
here right now and i know when they're

4487
02:56:25,110 --> 02:56:23,200
here because i just tapped into them and

4488
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:25,120
they're the ones that i that i always

4489
02:56:28,710 --> 02:56:26,720
bring to first even doing the board by

4490
02:56:30,469 --> 02:56:28,720
myself so i can feel them and they say

4491
02:56:32,389 --> 02:56:30,479
karen going using the board by yourself

4492
02:56:33,990 --> 02:56:32,399
is going backwards they worked with me

4493
02:56:37,190 --> 02:56:34,000
for the last 10 years also getting off

4494
02:56:38,309 --> 02:56:37,200
the board as well right right right um

4495
02:56:40,950 --> 02:56:38,319
okay

4496
02:56:43,429 --> 02:56:40,960
it's continuing this and i just want to

4497
02:56:46,870 --> 02:56:43,439
get this in before we have to sign off

4498
02:56:49,510 --> 02:56:46,880
when you're by yourself

4499
02:56:52,309 --> 02:56:49,520
what do you ask

4500
02:56:53,830 --> 02:56:52,319
is it is it a mood that you're in like

4501
02:56:55,349 --> 02:56:53,840
you know you just had your coffee you

4502
02:56:57,429 --> 02:56:55,359
just went and you're like you know what

4503
02:56:59,269 --> 02:56:57,439
wait a minute i need some info

4504
02:57:01,510 --> 02:56:59,279
is it like that or is it something

4505
02:57:03,910 --> 02:57:01,520
that's more planned it could be like

4506
02:57:05,510 --> 02:57:03,920
that it could be a little bit of um i

4507
02:57:07,110 --> 02:57:05,520
feel like i want to get a message from

4508
02:57:09,349 --> 02:57:07,120
them and i want a message like it's as

4509
02:57:11,510 --> 02:57:09,359
simple as this what's the next step that

4510
02:57:12,710 --> 02:57:11,520
you got that you guys and i are

4511
02:57:14,790 --> 02:57:12,720
struggling with and i'm thinking about

4512
02:57:16,389 --> 02:57:14,800
maybe the business project it's not like

4513
02:57:17,990 --> 02:57:16,399
they're gonna go oh pick that one not

4514
02:57:20,070 --> 02:57:18,000
that one they're gonna say they're gonna

4515
02:57:22,309 --> 02:57:20,080
give me some kind of statement like what

4516
02:57:24,870 --> 02:57:22,319
gives you your greatest joy oh yeah i

4517
02:57:26,230 --> 02:57:24,880
forgot i forgot i forgot greatest joy

4518
02:57:27,750 --> 02:57:26,240
and they'll go so

4519
02:57:29,110 --> 02:57:27,760
if you go down that path how do you

4520
02:57:30,710 --> 02:57:29,120
envision it they act like therapists

4521
02:57:31,990 --> 02:57:30,720
with me it's really funny

4522
02:57:33,110 --> 02:57:32,000
and so when they come through if you

4523
02:57:35,590 --> 02:57:33,120
recall you mean they'll come through

4524
02:57:38,070 --> 02:57:35,600
like therapeutic at times um and i and

4525
02:57:39,190 --> 02:57:38,080
they said it's because that's your

4526
02:57:40,389 --> 02:57:39,200
that's you you might have been a

4527
02:57:43,429 --> 02:57:40,399
therapist since

4528
02:57:45,190 --> 02:57:43,439
87 89 89 and they said that's that's you

4529
02:57:46,469 --> 02:57:45,200
that's what you bring to the table and

4530
02:57:48,070 --> 02:57:46,479
they said even though you weren't using

4531
02:57:49,910 --> 02:57:48,080
the ouija board with your clients you

4532
02:57:51,990 --> 02:57:49,920
were channeling us and that's when we

4533
02:57:53,110 --> 02:57:52,000
first started working together and and i

4534
02:57:54,550 --> 02:57:53,120
was like saying things i was like how

4535
02:57:56,469 --> 02:57:54,560
the hell did i know to say that but it's

4536
02:57:58,870 --> 02:57:56,479
because i i've learned over the years to

4537
02:58:00,550 --> 02:57:58,880
work with them you know just discerning

4538
02:58:01,910 --> 02:58:00,560
and hearing and feeling them and

4539
02:58:04,550 --> 02:58:01,920
speaking what i get so it's like a

4540
02:58:06,309 --> 02:58:04,560
collective we a collective we coming

4541
02:58:08,309 --> 02:58:06,319
through and even tonight as we were

4542
02:58:10,309 --> 02:58:08,319
speaking i felt them come through a few

4543
02:58:12,389 --> 02:58:10,319
times and they interjected although

4544
02:58:14,469 --> 02:58:12,399
it'll sound like me and it is me i don't

4545
02:58:15,990 --> 02:58:14,479
i don't do like trans mediumship but

4546
02:58:18,790 --> 02:58:16,000
they came through and said make sure you

4547
02:58:21,030 --> 02:58:18,800
say this or show this so they're here um

4548
02:58:22,710 --> 02:58:21,040
so when i do by myself um they'll use

4549
02:58:24,870 --> 02:58:22,720
they usually now they say you don't need

4550
02:58:26,389 --> 02:58:24,880
the board um listen to us directly and

4551
02:58:28,469 --> 02:58:26,399
i'll go into a meditation and listen to

4552
02:58:30,950 --> 02:58:28,479
them or write i'll allow them to write

4553
02:58:32,150 --> 02:58:30,960
with me a lot of times but but yeah you

4554
02:58:34,550 --> 02:58:32,160
can ask any question you want to ask

4555
02:58:36,950 --> 02:58:34,560
jimmy anything like what i look at these

4556
02:58:40,150 --> 02:58:36,960
two guitars which guitar should i get

4557
02:58:42,550 --> 02:58:40,160
you know it could be that simple

4558
02:58:43,670 --> 02:58:42,560
i'm going to use you for that

4559
02:58:47,110 --> 02:58:43,680
karen

4560
02:58:50,469 --> 02:58:47,120
what a show thank you so much

4561
02:58:52,070 --> 02:58:50,479
it's been too long um i've uh i've got

4562
02:58:53,030 --> 02:58:52,080
your facebook your instagram your

4563
02:58:55,429 --> 02:58:53,040
twitter

4564
02:58:57,269 --> 02:58:55,439
uh your youtube i've got all the links

4565
02:58:59,269 --> 02:58:57,279
up but if somebody wants to reach out to

4566
02:59:01,030 --> 02:58:59,279
you what's the best way to do it well i

4567
02:59:02,150 --> 02:59:01,040
would say if you want me to answer an

4568
02:59:03,510 --> 02:59:02,160
email or something you got something you

4569
02:59:05,030 --> 02:59:03,520
want to say go through my website

4570
02:59:07,030 --> 02:59:05,040
there's a portal there

4571
02:59:08,309 --> 02:59:07,040
and you can contact you and then that

4572
02:59:09,590 --> 02:59:08,319
way you can reach me there that's

4573
02:59:11,750 --> 02:59:09,600
probably the best place or if we're

4574
02:59:13,349 --> 02:59:11,760
already on messenger on facebook um we

4575
02:59:15,510 --> 02:59:13,359
could do it there as well or you have

4576
02:59:17,429 --> 02:59:15,520
something quick to twit tweet out twit

4577
02:59:19,190 --> 02:59:17,439
twit tweeter or whatever it's called

4578
02:59:21,110 --> 02:59:19,200
you could do it there too but um i want

4579
02:59:23,110 --> 02:59:21,120
to say thank you everybody i'm sorry i

4580
02:59:25,590 --> 02:59:23,120
couldn't follow this the chain of what

4581
02:59:27,030 --> 02:59:25,600
you all are saying i i wish i could it's

4582
02:59:28,550 --> 02:59:27,040
a lot that i'm trying to show you

4583
02:59:30,550 --> 02:59:28,560
everything i'm doing but thank you so

4584
02:59:31,910 --> 02:59:30,560
much for being here with us and and

4585
02:59:33,910 --> 02:59:31,920
thank you jimmy

4586
02:59:35,910 --> 02:59:33,920
it's such a great honor to to call you

4587
02:59:37,590 --> 02:59:35,920
friend and for me to come back on your

4588
02:59:39,429 --> 02:59:37,600
show and be with all the fader knots you

4589
02:59:41,190 --> 02:59:39,439
guys yay thank you

4590
02:59:43,110 --> 02:59:41,200
you're the best karen thank you so much

4591
02:59:45,429 --> 02:59:43,120
i'll give you a call tomorrow have a

4592
02:59:47,349 --> 02:59:45,439
great night go meat and get me some

4593
02:59:50,230 --> 02:59:47,359
lottery numbers all right

4594
02:59:51,269 --> 02:59:50,240
okay we'll try i'll talk to you karen

4595
02:59:53,670 --> 02:59:51,279
dalman

4596
02:59:56,469 --> 02:59:53,680
what a great show tonight and i've got

4597
02:59:58,309 --> 02:59:56,479
to go straight to

4598
02:59:59,670 --> 02:59:58,319
credits we gotta get out of here

4599
03:00:00,630 --> 02:59:59,680
tomorrow night

4600
03:00:05,510 --> 03:00:00,640
uh

4601
03:00:07,670 --> 03:00:05,520
an incredible show tomorrow night great

4602
03:00:10,550 --> 03:00:07,680
week on fade to black so much fun

4603
03:00:11,910 --> 03:00:10,560
tonight with uh karen she's the absolute

4604
03:00:15,030 --> 03:00:11,920
very best

4605
03:00:17,750 --> 03:00:15,040
and uh that drum circle i'm telling you

4606
03:00:20,230 --> 03:00:17,760
right now that's a true story fade to

4607
03:00:21,590 --> 03:00:20,240
black is produced by hill j palm renee

4608
03:00:23,830 --> 03:00:21,600
dennis and kevin

4609
03:00:27,030 --> 03:00:23,840
announcers are steve harder gene vettel

4610
03:00:30,150 --> 03:00:27,040
mark t kobar webmaster is drew the geek

4611
03:00:32,230 --> 03:00:30,160
music doug aldrich intro spaceboy

4612
03:00:34,309 --> 03:00:32,240
spaceboymusic.com

4613
03:00:35,590 --> 03:00:34,319
fade to black is produced by kjcr for

4614
03:00:39,590 --> 03:00:35,600
the game changer network and this

4615
03:00:41,510 --> 03:00:39,600
broadcast is own and copyrighted 2022

4616
03:00:43,830 --> 03:00:41,520
by fade to black and the game changer

4617
03:00:45,750 --> 03:00:43,840
network inc it cannot be re-broadcast

4618
03:00:47,670 --> 03:00:45,760
downloaded copied or used anywhere in

4619
03:00:49,269 --> 03:00:47,680
the known universe without written

4620
03:00:50,630 --> 03:00:49,279
permission from faded black of the game

4621
03:00:52,630 --> 03:00:50,640
changing network i'm here with jimmy

4622
03:00:55,750 --> 03:00:52,640
church tomorrow night david palmer

4623
03:00:57,750 --> 03:00:55,760
astrologer here all night on fade to

4624
03:01:00,070 --> 03:00:57,760
black until then

4625
03:01:08,070 --> 03:01:00,080
be safe

4626
03:01:26,550 --> 03:01:14,590
[Music]

4627
03:01:26,560 --> 03:01:29,690
one